Information on Vitiligo: Michael Jackson
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Vitiligo / Michael’s Skin Condition
On February 10, 1993, Michael Jackson gave the world an explanation for the whiteness of his skin in an exclusive interview he did with Oprah Winfrey.
Michael : Number one, as I know of, there is no such thing as skin bleaching, I have never seen it, I don’t know what it is.
Oprah : Well they used to have those products, I remember growing up always hearing always use bleach and glow, but you have to have about 300,000
gallons.Michael : Okay, but number one, this is the situation. I have a skin disorder that destroys the pigmentation of the skin, it’s something that I cannot help. Okay. But when people make up stories that I don’t want to be who I
am it hurts me.Oprah : So it is…
Michael : It’s a problem for me that I can’t control, but what about all the millions of people who sits out in the sun, to become darker, to become other than what they are, no one says nothing about that.
Oprah : So when did this start, when did your … when did the color of your skin start to change?
Michael : Oh boy, I don’t … sometime after Thriller, around Off the Wall, Thriller, around sometime then.
Oprah : But what did you think?
Michael : It’s in my family, my father said it’s on his side. I can’t control it, I don’t understand, I mean, it makes me very sad. I don’t want to go into my medical history because that is private, but that’s the situation here.
Oprah : So okay, I just want to get this straight, you are not taking anything to change the color of your skin …
Michael : Oh, God no, we tried to control it and using make-up evens it out because it makes blotches on my skin, I have to even out my skin. But you know what’s funny, why is that so important? That’s not important to me. I’m a great fan of art, I love Michelangelo, if I had the chance to talk to him or read about him I would want to know what inspired him to become who he is, the anatomy of his craftsmanship, not about who he went out with last night … what’ wrong with … I mean that’s what is important to me.
Since Michael has stated he has this skin disorder many people have heard of it, but not many people really understand what it is, so that casts doubt on Michael when he says he suffers from it. Michael has and shows all the symptoms of a person with this disease. So you first have to understand what this disease is.
What is Vitiligo?
Vitiligo is a relatively common skin disorder, in which white spots or patches appear on the skin. These spots are caused by destruction or weakening of the pigment cells in those areas, resulting in the pigment being destroyed or no longer produced. In most cases, vitiligo is believed to be an autoimmune-related disorder. Although researchers are not exactly sure what causes the autoimmune response, more is being learned every year. In vitiligo, only the color of the skin is affected. The texture and other skin qualities remain normal.
What are the symptoms of Vitiligo?
People who develop vitiligo usually first notice white patches or spots (depigmentation) on their skin. The skin remains of normal texture, and there is usually no itching or other symptoms. These patches are more obvious in sun-exposed areas, including the hands, feet, arms, legs, face, and lips. Other common areas for white patches to appear are the armpits and groin and around the mouth, eyes, nostrils, navel, and genitals. Vitiligo generally appears in one of three patterns. In one pattern (focal pattern), the depigmentation is limited to one or only a few areas. Some people develop depigmented patches on only one side of their bodies (segmental vitiligo). But for most people who have vitiligo, depigmentation occurs on different parts of the body (generalized vitiligo), often similar on each side of the body. In addition to white patches on the skin, some people with vitiligo may experience white hair growing in on the scalp, eyelashes, eyebrows, and beard. In extremely rare cases, vitiligo can affect eye color or the pigment of the retina.
Does genetics play a role?
Most people with vitiligo have neither parents, nor children, nor siblings with vitiligo. Many have no other relatives with vitiligo. Vitiligo does appear to be hereditary, that is, it can run in families. Children whose parents have the disorder are more likely to develop vitiligo. There is no question about that. However, most children will not get vitiligo even if a parent has it, and most people with vitiligo do not have a family history of the disorder. So the chances of your child developing vitiligo appear to be very small. Nevertheless, there are sufficient numbers of families where vitiligo does appear among siblings, parents and children, such that we can assume a genetic factor.
How does Vitiligo Develop?
The beginning of Vitiligo and the severity of pigment loss differs with each patient. Light skinned people usually notice the pigment loss during the summer as the contrast between the vitiliginous skin and the suntanned skin becomes distinct. People with dark skin may observe the onset of Vitiligo at any time. Individuals who have severe cases will lose pigment over their entire body surface. There is no way to predict how much pigment an individual will lose, Illness and stress can result in more pigment loss. The degree of pigment loss can also vary within each Vitiligo patch, and a border of abnormally dark skin may encircle a patch of depigmented skin.
Vitiligo frequently begins with a rapid loss of pigment which may be followed by a lengthy period when the skin color does not change. Later, the pigment loss may resume — perhaps after the individual has suffered physical trauma or stress. The loss of color may continue until, for unknown reasons, the process stops. Cycles of pigment loss, followed by periods of stability may continue indefinitely. It is rare for a patient with Vitiligo to repigment or regain skin color spontaneously. Most patients who say that they no longer have Vitiligo may actually have become depigmented and are no longer bothered by contrasting skin color. While such patients appear to be “cured”, they really are not. People who have Vitiligo all over their bodies do not look like albinos because the color of their hair may not change — or it can be dyed — and eye color does not change.
Emotional Impact
Most individuals with Vitiligo are upset because of the uneven skin color. It is difficult for those who do not have Vitiligo to appreciate the significance of this problem to the victim.
Depigmentation Therapy
If a person has Vitiligo over more than half of the exposed areas of the body, he or she is not a candidate for repigmentation. Rather, such a person may want to try depigmentation of the remaining pigmented skin. The drug for depigmentation is monobenzylether of hydroquinone. Many patients with Vitiligo are at first apprehensive about the idea of depigmentation and reluctant to go ahead. However, patients who achieve complete depigmentation are usually satisfied with the end results. Some people become allergic to the medication and must discontinue therapy. This therapy takes about a year to complete. The pigment removal is permanent.
Sensitivity to the sun
Patches of vitiligo skin have no natural protection against the sun’s rays. This is because vitiligo skin is white as the melanocytes which produce melanin (skin pigment) are not active. The effect of the sun is normally to increase melanin production and to turn the skin brown; this is a protective mechanism to prevent the skin from being damaged by burning. Therefore, the most important reason for protecting your skin is to prevent sunburn. Not only is this painful, but damage to the skin, including sunburn, can stimulate the vitiligo to spread in some people. As vitiligo skin is particularly vulnerable to sunlight and needs protection, some brands of sunblock are classified by the NHS (The British National Health Service) as borderline substances which means they can be obtained on prescription from your doctor.
Michael says he was first diagnosed at the earliest, during the time he released his ‘Off the Wall’ album. We can assume that maybe it started before he actually released the album in stores, which was in the mid 70s. Treatments were still being developed and the awareness of the disease was not there. So naturally, the only solution for Michael then was to cover it up using cosmetics. I’ve heard people ask ‘So why didn’t he try to regain his color’ making it seem as if he was desperate to just depigment his skin of its natural color. Michael covered it with darker makeup I’m sure, for as long as he could.
If you look at the pictures, you will see that his face is obviously covered with cosmetics. The unevenness of it is there. So you can see that when it did start, he did try concealing it, obviously no one knew about it until he was visibly a shade lighter. Click on the second picture to get a better look. Compare Emmanuel to Michael, you’ll see that he’s probably wearing heavy facial makeup.
As you’ve read the process of this disease can be gradual and slow. As time goes on, his skin color becomes even more uneven, and his cheeks begin to always seem to have a red tint to them. (Due to Discoid Lupus) You’ll see it all over his face and even his neck. Same with the lip color, it started as a way to conceal the discoloration on his lips, if you’ll notice the discoloration on the outline of the lips in the first picture, and some discoloration on his nose in others. Michael’s makeup artist for over 20 years, Karen Faye comments:
“It started happening relatively early, he even was trying to hide it from me..he tried to hide it for quite awhile. He’d always try to cover it with makeup and even out his skin tone until it got so extensive. It’s all over his body. We were always trying to hide it and cover it for the longest time until he just had to tell Oprah and tell the world, ‘Listen I’m not trying to be white, I have a skin disease.’ In the beginning I tried to cover the light spots to match the darker part of his skin, but then it became so extensive that we had to go with the lighter part of his skin because his whole body was reacting…he’d have to be in complete full body makeup, every inch of his body. So it was easier to make the transition to him being to the lighter shade that he is.”
No one can deny, after looking at these pictures, the fact that during this period of time, around the time of his Thriller release, Michael’s face was seriously uneven in color. When you bleach your skin, you apply the bleaching agent evenly, it would not create spotting. These pictures are just some of the many pictures that show evidence of uneven skin. Initially, Michael’s skin was very even as you will see in the comparison below.
Moving on, how many times have you seen Michael Jackson revealing his arms and legs? Rarely. Take his tour costumes for example. If you compare their Victory Tour to the Triumph Tour, you’ll see the difference in what he wore.
There were times even then that Michael would show his chest or arms, perhaps these were areas that hadn’t been affected at the time. You will see him appear in some of his later videos revealing these areas, this is possible because of makeup, or they were during times when his skin was even. When we see pictures of Michael now, he is almost always covered from head to toe, it is very rare that you will see any candid picture of Michael when he’s not performing or shooting some kind of video, where any part of his body, besides his head and hands are exposed. Most of all of his infamous outfits are made to cover his entire body. There probably is a reason for that.
Time goes on and Michael gets lighter and lighter until he is eventually just literally WHITE, at least in comparison to other people. Had he been bleaching his skin from the start, Michael would never have been spotting. Michael went through depigmentation therapy, which is what someone might opt to do when the discolorations have covered most of the body and the use of makeup to hide the difference in color becomes an inconvenience. That’s why you will notice during around 1986 Michael was lighter, but not as white as he appears now. In Michael’s case, since he was always in the public eye, constantly being photographed, it would be quite embarrassing to show up to events and perform while your skin is spotted with two different colors. Katherine Jackson, Michael’s mother tells us:
“His face is white because he has had this disease, and instead of having it spotted like a cow or something like that he just decided to just do the whole thing, because he could afford to do it.”
Covering it up with makeup was only effective for awhile. As it gets worse, you have to apply more, as his make up artist stated, wearing full bodied makeup would be very hard. The depigmentation process takes awhile to complete and it is permanent. The medication monobenzylether of hydroquinone is used to do this and is very strong, it is only prescribed to vitiligo patients. People that bleach their skin to remove scars and minor discolorations use creams with only hydroquinone, which is reversible and not permanent. This is why when you buy bleaching creams at the store, it will always tell you that the pigmentation you wanted to get rid of may reappear.
I have yet to see or hear about anyone else that has gone through a drastic change in skin color by just bleaching their skin with regular products. I know of people bleaching their skin, but if you pay them any real attention you will notice the inconsistencies, they get darker then they get lighter again, this because of what was mentioned before, hydroquinone is not permanent. Also, getting your hands on monobenzylether of hydroquinone is not easy. So I don’t want to hear the excuse that he just somehow got his hands on it. You have to be prescribed something like that from a dermatologist. Like I’ve said before, people that bleach their skin do not spot. People with vitiligo have gotten to the point where their pigment has been totally stripped from all of the their body, they are typically snow white in color. Michael Jackson is very pale, even in comparison to white people. The only cases of such a drastic change in skin color that I’ve seen or read about are with vitiligo patients.
People with vitiligo become very sensitive to the sun, because the natural protection that your skin has from the sun gets stripped away along with the pigmentation. If you go through depigmentation therapy the sensitivity of your skin to the sun becomes even worse. This is why when Michael is outside, most of the time you will see him shielding himself from the sun with either his hand or an umbrella. A lot of people don’t understand why he is with an umbrella all the time, this is the only reason.
Even now you will see brown spots on various parts of Michael’s body, his arms and hands for example. Sometimes they are there and then sometimes they aren’t, which can be due to makeup or spontaneous repigmentation as mentioned before. Michael Jackson has vitiligo and that is the truth. People have used all kinds of things to dispute this, whether it be the ethnicity of the women he’s dated or the plastic surgery he’s gotten. It’s become a situation where he’s been forced to defend the fact that he is an African American, the fact that he’s not ashamed of who and what he is. Michael grew up idolizing black musicians, he did all the ‘black’ trends. From the music, to the hair styles and such. Michael had his greatest success when he was still visibly black…there was and is no reason for him to have desired to change his color. This is something that his family has backed him on for many years, even by his stern father who would probably never defend any of his children, had they ever bleached their skin. It has been said by Michael and by his sister Janet Jackson, that he isn’t the only one in the family to have it. This doesn’t mean that his sisters or brothers have to have it, it could have been a distant relative. Did you know that stress or traumatic events could trigger vitiligo if you are already susceptible to it genetically? Michael had it the hardest growing up, and even after he reached fame, who’s to say all of that didn’t trigger it?
Most of the people that suffer from this disease have a hard time with people either not believing them about their condition or just people giving them a hard time about it, especially when they are African American. It can be a very hard thing to deal with, could you imagine someone harassing you about something that you can’t help?
Sources: National Vitiligo Foundation, Vitiligo Support
View more vitiligo photos here: Part One, Part Two, Part Three, Part Four.
My heart bleeds for him when I read this. I’ve known about this disease since he let the world know years ago but I didn’t know much of the disease itself…I just wish the general public would stop with the prejudice towards him. Should they have read this article they would have a harder time trying to dispute it.
no it’s not true…even if people would have read this article they wouldn’t understand…because they don’t want to…it’s easier to judge him than understand him….besides that my heart is broken…he has suffered a lot for this disease and people just done worse….i continue asking myself…those who don’t like him why do they bother talking about him?! even now that this poor soul isn’t amoung us anymore they continue saying bad things about him…..WHY CAN’T THEY JUST LEAVE HIM REST IN PEACE?!….HE WAS AND STILL BE FOR EVER THE BEST….KING OF POP AND KING OF OUR HEARTS !!!!!!!!!
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=jordan+chandler+lied&btnG=Search&meta= JORDEN CHANDLER LIED -MJ INNOCENT
THAT GUY THAT FREAK IS SUCH A PIECE OF SHI*….I KNEW IT …..HE DESERVES TO BE PUNISHED FOR DESTROYNG MICHAEL’S IMAGE….
its a hoax…wish it was true but its a hoax
I do know he has vitiligo. I actually know others with vitiligo. But my only question then is about his hair. In the people I know with the disease, they get spots of it on their scalp and it also takes out the color in their hair, and it turns white. I wonder does he dye his hair back dark again? Or does he have a different form of vitiligo than I’ve seen? I’ve seen about 5 african american people with this disease, and i think in all of the cases, their hair had de-pigmented as well?
I also know of people that have this disease and one of my friends dye her hair continuesly. She’s told me that every time a new growth of hair grow, so does the discoloration of the hair. So she’s always dying it and I suppoose that’s what Michael Jackson does with his hair and eyebrows. The thing about the disease is people have to understand it before they make hurtful comments. Unfortunately, Michael had it (R.I.P) and he didn’t explain what was going on before the media took it out of control.
he did explained…he said several times he has vetiligo….but the media ignored him…plastic surgery news sells better than just a disease ,…:(
R.I.P. MJ
I have vitiligo, I started seeing it in my thirties following the birth of my first child. I was fortunate to have one of the most knowledgeable dermatologists in the world at Mass General treat me initially (before he passed away). He developed the process for bleaching (hydroquinone) that Michael used – we had a discussion about it. I had always wished that Michael mentioned the word “vitiligo”, because I don’t know if he ever did and I watched the Oprah episode. Those of us who are caucasion, especially myself who is blond and fair-skinned, have nothing compared to the pain that this guy had – being a celebrity and all. This disorder literally robbed him of his identity. I always felt very badly for him. Regardless of all the allegations and the trials whether truthful or not I’ll never know. But I feel sorry for the boy who I always felt was abused and exploited and never really grew up.
He obviously wore wigs @ times and hair extensions and probably dyed his hair along..
okay, he had spots on his face than completely have surgery to make his entire body one shade.
did his sister latoya have the same illness?
yes, i think it’s the older sister
Its been reported that he wore wigs for the past few years. After his scalp was severely burned on the set of the infamous Pepsi commercial, his hair wouldn’t grow back. At least not in the same way as before. I don’t know the extent of the damage since I never personally saw it. I also heard reports that he was going bald.
It’s called dying his hair numbnuts.
he wore wigs.
He was waring a full wig for years. Isn’t it obvious…?
well, i guess he might be wearing a wig coz there’s some statement proven that michael do use wigs…maybe this is the reason why his hair didnt look affected, and eventhough during younger days he could have dyed his hair…thats why…
Hair dyes often contain an ingredient “phenols”. And a recent study ( http://bit.ly/ZAAXv ) has identified Phenols (which comes from Benzene – a gasoline additive) as a trigger/cause for vitiligo. It is a toxin to the human body. It kills cells including pigment producing cells, hair follicles, etc.. This may also be the cause of Michael’s chronic skin and hair condition. It may also be what lead to other more severe medical issues such as auto-immune diisease and lupus
Michael did not wear his natural hair. You can tell most of the time it was either a wig perhaps or some kind of hair extensions.
No MJ didn’t have to color his hair because he was actually bald and wore wigs…. after his accident during the Pepsi-cola commercial back in the 80’s he had 2nd degree burns on his head leaving him unable to grow back hair. Had he had hair it probably would have shown spots of white and he would have had to color it.
MJ wore a wig, and remember he had lupus and had second and third degree scalp burns during his taping of the pepsi commercial.
He also wore wig a lot. people frpm europe believed him when he spoke about his condition, but for some reason nobody trust him here . He was a great artist and i hope all the bad things people said about him including the media , will understand words can kill. As far as a drugs , he had no choice. I hope he is in piece and i pray for him..
His hair was burnt after the Pepsi ad incident…some of it grew back and some didn’t. Therefore he had to wear wigs. We do not know if his hair was discoloured as well.
Love you MJ
the reason for the hair, he wore wigs more recent because when he did the pepsi commercial his hair was on fire, and he only had a few strands left so he was forced to wear wigs since he was always in the public. I feel so bad for him. He had real problems and the media and peoples judgement made it worse! to a point where he actually wanted to die/ poor michael rip!!
why did you think michael jackson used wigs
Thank you for this. I know alot about this disease, but there are bits and pieces of information I didn’t know. It’s just so sad that Michael is treated the way he is because of something he truly cannot help. Even sadder the media’s continual prepetuation of “I don’t want to be black” myth concerning Michael, even when they know what the true situation is.
i dont care wat haooen to him i love him his a good singer………..i love u machael jackson mauhzzzzzzz
This man is telling the truth I know I have vitiligo over my whole body. Vitiligo is real. It is very hard to deal with socially. I think Michael is doing an excellent job dealing with it. Its to bad the media dosen’t beleive him. God forbid what goes around comes around so leave him alone.
Sign of velitilo appears on my forehead when i was 19 (I was in college BS HRM), i can tell, only sufferrers like me or MJ can justify the feeling of insecurity, loosing self confidence, affecting my dreams, career, future. Thanks God my case is not as severe as MJ, somehow I can manage to cover it with a bangs. I am now 38 and managed to live normally with limitations. In the beginning I was so scared it will spread> first thing comes to my mind is “how I am going to face my friends now”. Just imagine the emotional effect it has caused to MJ when you have to face the spotlight. I can imagine the sufferings and anguish he endured >>> RIP
did he really change the skin all his skin
Hi
I prayer for the people who are so cruel.
I pray that Michael can forgive them for their cruelties and ignorance.
I am very ill with West Nile ( also no cure)i am very laid up.Bt same thing because it hit me so hard, some people do not understand and are men.
I pray for humanities lack of compasson and understanding, and pray our souls not to get too damaged
Amen
God Blsse
amen to that!!!
typo in above paragraph
should be mean not men
and God Bless
This article is brilliant, i never douted that this was the case with Michael but i worry that the only people who are going to see this will be the people who already believe him. There has to be some way that a large scale publication could publish something like this so more people could see. I thought id seen everything about MJ but i personally have never noticed those spots and patches. I was shocked when even Jermaine Jackson, his own brother, didnt know the name of his desease when he spoke of it on Big Brother. That just goes to show how unaware people are of this subject. I’m going to take it upon myself personally to get this article out there. Watch this space.
Dave
Please remember to link Steady Laughing.com, for I can’t take credit for writing this.
http://steady-laughing.com/vit/vitiligo.htm
And I’m glad you enjoyed reading it. Yes, tis a shame Jermaine didn’t even remember the name. Janet did, and talked about it briefly during the Johnathan Ross interview. It was particularly impressive, because she never talks about her family. Especially not in detail, and especially not in regards to Michael.
This is interesting, I suppose I was one of those who assumed he had bleached his skin around the time he got his surgery. I think it’s obvious he has had surgery but I agree people shouldn’t assume he deliberately whitened his skin, and respect him for what he says, sounds like a horrible condition to have. Even if he had bleached his skin though, who cares? Let him do what he likes. I used to be a massive MJ fan.
There was rumours around here (in Dublin) that he was buying a place in Ireland but I don’t think it’s true.
He initially had surgery because he broke his nose, and then had to have surgery again. because the first one was a botch job, and he had trouble breathing and it was effecting his singing… it seems as though, with the way in which you said he surgery, that you were looking at it like he did something unforgiveable. I just wish people withold judgement until they get their info from the ‘horse’s mouth’ so-to-speak. I applaud you for your willingness to be a little more open-minded, though. Those who really loved Michael never doubted, myself included. May he rest in peace, and God bless.
Michael Jackson does not have vitiligo. Micheal Jackson HAD what is called “post in flammatory Hyper-pigmentation” as a result of severe adolescent acne. This condition leaves dark spots of pigment on the skin, and is most prominent in blacks. Jackson talks about his spots in many interviews. One treatment for this is bleaching cream usually combined with the acne medication cream Retin-A, which acts as a vehicle to make the bleaching cream penetrate the skin even further. The cream is applied on the face, but not the eyelids, lips and around the nostrils.
This treatment targets the over active melanicites (the cells in the skin that produce pigment) and slowly destroys them. If used properly, for the right amount of time and then discontinued, the spots will disappear and skin tone will be evened out.
I believe he used too much, for too long doing what is called “self-medicating”.
Goolre pictures of Jackson’s face in his late teens, it is dark brown with spots (when seen without make-up). Around the time of Thriller, his facial skin becomes refined perfectly even, smooth and brighter. You can see this starting in the Motown25 special. Look closely at his face in the movie theater scene of the Thriller video. You will see his cheeks are lighter and smooth, while the color of his nose tip, upper lip and eye lids is darker. This is because he wasn’t using the bleaching creams there. Look at the Beat it video, shot soon after Thriller. There is a scene at the beginning of the video showing him leaning back in bed. You can clearly see that his face looks pink and light compared to his neck, nose, eye lids and upper lip which are still dark brown, his arms are darker too. Check out phots of his recieving his Grammy’s for Thriller, you can start to see thsi too, especially his hands being darker brown than hsi face. This becomes extremely obvious in many other photos of his around this time. Check out the “The Way You Make me Feel” video in the close up of him at the beginning. His face looks almost white except for his eye lids. In the Bad video, his face changes from light yellow to pink from scene to scene, depending on the make up and lighting. I have seen many photos of him on line from the Bad era, with the pattern of coloring described above. In pictures that do not show this it is because he is wearing make up to cover it and probably using a self tanning lotion to cover light spots.
Sometime by the late 80’s or early 90’s he had to make a choice; go through life with a bleached white face and black body, or de-pigment his entire body to match his face. This is what some vitiligo patients do. So Michael Jackson had to litterally bathe in bleaching solution to make his body color match his bleached face.
For all you skeptics, watch the scene in the Martin Bashire interview with Jackson in a Las Vegas hotel, talking about his first sexual experiences and Tatum Oneal. He puts his pink hand up to his white face but his fingernails are still brown! That is because you can’t get bleaching cream under your fingernails, you can see this in many other pictures on line too.
Michael Jackson was the mentally unstable superstar of the world in the 80’s. It is obvious he is into excess, to put it mildly. The insidious thing about overusing bleaching cream is that it takes about 1-1/2 months to see the permanent effect of ‘over-doing’ it because that’s how long it takes for newly created pigment cells to reach the surface of the skin. In other-words, if you over do it, you won’t know right away. What you will think is that you skin is getting better and better looking, then discover you went to far, and it’s too late. Michael Jackson is obviously someone who is into “self-medicating” with plastic surgery, so this makes sense.
When you see Jackson today, wearing that bizarre wig that hangs over the sides of his face, notice that he uses it to shade his face from the sun. That is what his “germ mask” and fedora hats were all about too.
I think the whole Vitiligo explanation was devised by Jackson’s publicists and he is trapped in this tragic lie.
I feel sorry for Jackson for two reasons; One, he inadvertently ruined not only his skin, but his face with plastic surgery (destroyed his nose and has to wear a prosthetic tip, cheek implants, upper lip implant, lower lip and eye lid fat removal, chin cleft and implant, forehead light) He has to live with this everyday. Two, he can’t come clean about this and it is one of the primary reasons he is perceived as odd, reculsive and eccentric. Oh yes, there is a third; When he was black, he built Neverland, the ultimate outdoor fantasy land. As soon as it was complete the turned white and could no longer expose himself to the sun. Oh, there is a fourth; the active ingredient in bleaching cream contain mercury. Too much mercury absorbed into the bloodstream causes insanity…Go figure!
SAD FOR YOU – YOU ARE SO EVIL, YOU ARE PERFECT AT GIVING DAMAGING DATAILS ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE THAT I WONDER IF YOU ARE ANY GOOD AT USEFUL AND PROFITABLE BIZ.
You think you know it all and that you are better than MJ. Mr IGNORANT, if God were to judge you in everY detail, YOU WILL BE DONE.
GET A LIFE!!!!!!!
Fay-
A. Did you even read the comment you so quickly snapped at? AB123 didn’t say anything damaging, in fact AB123 showed a good amount of empathy towards what he/she believes to be Jackson’s situation. So why you gonna come down so hard on someone just for offering an alternate explanation. Actually, dismissing his/her arguement with such inflammatory language/implications without understanding it is, in fact, ignorant.
B. What date was AB123’s comment made? Did you happen to notice that? OCTOBER 2007… that’s right one and a half years ago. Do you think that AB123 will notice or even care that you have such hateful things to say? It seems to me that you are just stressing yourself out and the person that you’ve aimed all of this hatred at will never even see it. You know what they say about being constantly stressed…
C. You don’t make any sense… “I WONDER IF YOU ARE ANY GOOD AT USEFUL AND PROFITABLE BIZ.” WTF does that mean and what does business profitablity have to do with a blog comment about Michael Jackson.
And here’s me passing judgement, because, hey, why not – everybody’s doin it, right? You are a strange individual and you are the one that needs to get a life.
Just so you know, I could care less if you want to bash me with you seething hate. So bring it on if you want to, but know that it’s only you that it’ll hurt.
I’m a black person, and I just have to say that your nails are not black or brown underneath. My skin is pink beneath the nails.
people with black under the nails is a possible sign of poor circulation not a sign of skin color but obviously some people are dense wouldn’t you say popintervention? kinda funny how people can be so ignorant!
I’m just going to presume that was a joke.
I forgot to use spell check, and rambled on a bit but none of it is a joke. Check out my references on line carefully, you’ll see it’s all true.
By the way, the pictures of Michael Jackson on this site showing splotches on his skin, especially the ones form the “They Don’t Care About Us” video are Photoshopped, they are not vitiligo. You can find many of the same pictures of him on line if you search hard enough, and they do not show the same splotches on his skin.
They’re not photoshopped, and yes, your post was ridiculous.
I am a Photoshop expert, they are retouched and the ones that aren’t are showing the pigment on his body beginning to be destroyed by bleaching. Don’t believe me about how it started by him bleaching just his face, see for yourself…
Michael with spots (post inflammatory hyper pigmentation): http://www.mjsite.com/pages/1389
VERY CLEARLY bleached pink face, brown pigment remaining on hands: http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/gallery/Thrilleraera/pages/thrillerera126.html
VERY CLEARLY bleached hands, brown pigment remaining under fingernails(Where bleaching creams can’t penetrate): http://www.geocities.com/mjgallery_dangerousera/cannesMJG.JPG
Watch this scene from Beat it on a full resolution video or DVD, you’ll see his starting to become bleached lighter colored face and a clear line of demarkation on his brown pigmented neck and eyelids (it is much clearer in the video than this low res. photo): http://www.geocities.com/mjgallery_thrillavideos/pianos.JPG
What this opening scene from “The Way You Make Me Feel” You will very clearly see the extreme of his bleached face and brown pigmented eyelids and neck: http://myspace-922.vo.llnwd.net/01966/22/95/1966315922_thumb1.jpg
Bleached face, brown pigment remains on eye lids and arms: http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/gallery/badera/pages/badera10.html
Bleached face, brown pigmen remaining on neck and eye lids: http://trowbridgeplanetearth.com/T2/T2MEM/news/michaelj1.jpg
Bleached face, brown pigment remaining on his eyelids and corners of mouth: http://www.geocities.com/mjgallery_badera/pic20.jpg
Beginning to become bleached face with darker brown pigment remaining on tip of nose and upper eyelids: http://www.geocities.com/mjgallery_thrillavideos/aaha.JPG
Bleached white hands, brown pigment remaining under fingernails: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39511000/jpg/_39511480_203b_handcuffs_ap.jpg
Bleached face, brown pigment remains in hairline and eyelids: http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/gallery/dangerousera/pages/dangerousera140.html
Start of bleahed face, brown pigment remains on upper eyelids: http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tx/gallery/media/ap_jackson_thriller_405.jpg
bleahed face, light brown pigmented palm of hand: http://blogs.tampabay.com/photos/uncategorized/michaeljackson_1.jpg
Bleached pink face, brown pigment remains on body and eyelids: http://youthoughtso.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/mjackson2.jpg
bleached face, brown pigment remains on eyelids and hairline: http://www.nostalgiacentral.com/images_music/jackson_11.jpg
bleached face, brown pigment remains on eyelids: http://www.cadman-halstead-musicbooks.com/00000MJ_For_The_Record_Cover%203.jpg
bleached face, brown pigment rmeains on eyelids: http://newsfeed.tcm.ie/images/people/michaeljackson.JPG
bleached face, brown pigmented hand: http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/gallery/Thrilleraera/pages/thrillerera103.html
bleached face, brown pigmented hand: http://www.geocities.com/mjgallery_badtour/badtour4.jpg
bleached face, brown pigmented eyelids: http://www.geocities.com/mjgallery_dangerousera/BOWclip.jpg
Just plain FREAKY, Michael looking like a blonde woman: http://www.geocities.com/mjgallery_badera/BLONDI.JPG
YOU REALLY HAVE TIME.
DON’T FORGET TO BE IN CLOSE TOUCH SPYING ON MJ, now that he is in another place.
Show my post to any cosmetic dermatologist and they will agree with it
With the influence of booze you mean.
abc123:
) that had a man who said that on the 1993 oprah interview…off camera…mj had pulled up his sleeve and shown them his arm which showed the signs of vitiligo…splotches on his skin
that is a very convincing story about mj
everything does seem to fit and i’ve never heard that side before…the tryn to fix the acne n all
however, if it were to have been only michael’s face that was affected at the beginning…there was no excuse for him to wear long sleeve shirts and long pants that covered the rest of his body
i dnt think your explanation had covered this
Also, there is an interview i saw on youtube (where else
ohh…and another thing
what someone previously said
vitiligo does affect and causes the colour of the hair to change… it gets bleachd too
my uncle had it
so i also wonder if mj dyes back his hair??
maybe thats why hes resorted to drawing on his eyebrows…..
and maybe its not his real hair…mayb its a wig
You are beyond laughable.
All those picture links you refer to as “bleach faced” are MAKE-UP. Its so obvious, I can’t believe you’re taking yourself seriously. The pictures you posted only support the fact that he has vitiligo.
Seek out his criminal record both from 1993 and 2005. You cannot dispute legitimate sources. And I am assuming that you are not a dermatologist judging from your comments. In the face of the cold, scientific evidence (i.e. court documents, medical journals, the word of dermatologists), it really baffles me that there remains those who do not believe that Jackson has vitiligo. Both the prosecution and defense have maintained that Jackson has vitiligo in the child molestation cases. One of the most well known factors of the 1993 Jordan Chandler case was that of the description of his genitals, and whether or not Jordan Chandler could describe the blotches accurately; that is an obvious reference to his vitiligo skin.
The people who don’t think Michael suffers from vitiligo know nothing about the disorder itself or about the treatments prescribed to treat it. Your skin in an organ, there are cells within called melanocytes. Vitiligo is an auto-immune disorder, which means that the body’s white attack cells turn on the pigment producing melanocyte cells and destroy them. It is IMPOSSIBLE for one to keep their skin permanently bleached. Cells in our bodies do something called regeneration. They can be killed, but unless your body is consistently killing the cells off, as is the case with those who suffer from vitiligo, your body will keep creating new sets of cells, over and over. You will never be able to keep it consistently pigment free, and most especially over such a large area.
Michael has something called universal vitiligo, which means he has a sever case, affecting over 80% of his body. If a person without vitiligo were to attempt to bleach their skin to the extent Michael’s skin has lost pigmentation, with the medication monobenzylether of hydroquinone prescribed to vitiligo sufferers for dipigmenting SMALL areas which still contain pigment, rather then evenly causing dipigmentation or a gradual lightening of the skin, it would leave long, white streaks down your body, leaving an extremely unsightly appearance. It is impossible to evenly bleach your skin white, people have attempted, in places like Jamaica, to do just that, and guess what, they’ve died from toxin poisoning.
Heres the entry re: make-up.
http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/michael-jacksons-vitiligo-discussion-6/
MY GOODNESS!!!!
i want to believe the vitiligo case….but now im not sure what is the truth !?!
i think abc123 brings up a fairly good case against the vitiligo story….but it is true that his illness of vitiligo was brought up in the 1993 case
i just really hope mj’s not lying
http://youthoughtso.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/mjackson2.jpg
the above pic is what really got me
why is mj’s body not affected???
why is his face pink? not splotchy with white marks like vitiligo patients???? he cudnt possibly be wearing makeup in the pool
keep debating guys … so i can make up my mind
u really have time.
wut does it matter which disease he had? If you really love him it doesn’t matter. MJ didn’t lie on anything. All i know is He had a good heart and should be respected. God bless him.
He just came out of the water, hello.
the floacist:
“he just came out of the water, hello”
what is that meant to mean??????
vitiligo disappears after you enter water????
my point was…why is mjs face pink but his body had no signs of vitiligo
- this is definately around thriller time (he looks like hes done a nose job)/so its definately around the time mj claims this disease had inflicted him
was this coz his face was the only place that was affected at first??? …i doubt it
Mr. Jackson was diagnosed with ctaneous Lupus and non segmental Vitiligo universalis in 1986. In 1985 Jackson had started wearing a glove to cover the first signs of depigmentation. This was observed by his biographer who was at his side for nearly 20 years. Lupus gives a reddish butterfly formation in the face, often not easy to see in a black person, but in Jackson’s case it was very vsible. His dermatologist has sought permission to speak about aspects of Jackson’s medical history in a couple of interviews. Jackson approached the dermatologist, because of hairloss, not connected with the burns. It was at the time that he diagnosed Lupus and vitiligo. He wanted to try to darken the areas with UV treatment, but after Jackson undressed he discovered large areas of his body already have little or no pigment at all. The standard procedure was then the permanent depigmentation of the remaining black patches Luckily for Jackson the lupus was in remission, but was still causing him to loose his hair. The singer SEAL has Lupus and lot his hair as a result. Loss of eyebrows and eyelashes can follow.For an entertainer in the public eye he did the right thing. And changing his nose is hardly a crime, even if the later nose surgeries were botched an he needed several reconstructions. This damaged the skin of the tip of the nose, restylane is perfect choice to try and save the the nose, there is no prosthesis at the tip, this is nonsense. Here are some links :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitiligo
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1205624/The-black-girl-turned-white-woman-vitiligo-changed-colour-entire-body.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1201841/Iturned-black-white-How-skin-disordered-changed-mans-identity-place-world.html
abc123:
i dont think your taking into account that mj has lupus
symptoms include rashes/ pink red scaly patches on the skin
this matches what looks like on mjs cheeks
Lol, no. I didn’t say it disappears. I meant that the time, his cheeks appear to have that pink/reddish tint due to discoid lupus, which you just mentioned.
I will try to answer the questions and comments of “mayC” and “the floacist”:
MAYC:
“if it were only michael’s face affected at the beginning…there was no excuse for him to wear long sleeve shirts and pants that covered his body i dnt think your explanation had covered this”
>He began covering his body around the same time he began bleaching his face to cover the fact that his neck and body skin were now brown and his face was bleached light. This was during the “Thriller” and “We are the World” era. In the “BAD” video, he shows his neck which he has begun to bleach too (ref. Randy Taborelli’s book, “The Madness and the Music” talks about him ordering bleaching cream in the mail and constantly putting it on his face and neck in the mid 80’s and telling people it is a “skin nutirent cream”)
“man who said that on the 1993 oprah interview…off camera…mj had pulled up his sleeve and shown them his arm which showed the signs of vitiligo”
>If this comment is true it could easily have been the remaining pigment or splotes LEFT from the bleaching it self. There is another possible explination: monobenzylether of hydroquinone which is what MJ used to bleach himself has a known side effect: It can paradoxical CAUSE splotches of dark pigment in the area that is bleached, especially when it is over used or exposed to the sun (you can read about this on line)
“vitiligo does affect and causes the colour of the hair to…get bleachd too i also wonder if mj dyes back his hair??”
>Yes it can depigment your hair too, but this is not very common. When you’re black, with black hair and you bleach your face, you hair begins to look darker in contrast to your face. MJ’s hair started looking like that the “BAD” era, and MJ was too young to dye his hair because of graying then.
“maybe thats why hes resorted to drawing on his eyebrows…”
> MJ tatooed his lips red (says Dr. Pamela Lipkin on NBC’s 20/20) I would strongly assume he tatooed on permanent eyebrows as well.
“mayb its a wig”
>MJ absolutely wears a wig. Check out the Bashir documentary, he is shown with his natural thinning hair while interviewed in his recording studio, the Las Vegas hotel and shopping mall. When he’s in Germany throwing pillows and dangling his baby out the window of his hotel, he has his wig on. One reason he wears it is it shield parts of his face from the sun.
THE FLOACIST:
“Jordan Chandler description of his genitals, and whether or not Jordan Chandler could describe the blotches accurately; that is an obvious reference to his vitiligo skin.”
>You are not supposed to get monobenzylether of hydroquinone inside the urethra or use it on the scrotum (which is practically a musous membrane) Therefore, MJ would have splotches of remaing pigment in his penis, jsut like he does inder his finernails and close to his eyes; all areas you either cannot reach with bleaching cream, or are not allowed to use it on. Furthermore, MJ was photographed naked by the LAPD. You can read the transcript on Smoking Gun. The only part of MJ’s body they describe having splotches is his penis. Vitilgo is not known to depigment the entire body and leave splotches just on the penis.
“It is IMPOSSIBLE for one to keep their skin permanently bleached. Cells in our bodies do something called regeneration. They can be killed, but unless your body is consistently killing the cells off, as is the case with those who suffer from vitiligo, your body will keep creating new sets of cells, over and over. You will never be able to keep it consistently pigment free, and most especially over such a large area”
>Yes, vitiligo is an auto immune desease that can kills melanocytes permanently. But I assume you have not done your reading on the long term use of monobenzylether of hydroquinone or skin on itself? Because you are incorrect. The melanocytes are located in the Deris, the lower layers of the skin. Anything that happens in this layer is for the most part, is permanent. That is why when you get a deep wound you get a permanent, depigmented scar. When you get a superficial scratch in the upper Epidermal layer, it regenerates without a trace. It is also why tatooes are permanent. monobenzylether of hydroquinone used long term will either permanently alter or kill off melaocytes and they can not regenerate once damaged to that point. Doctors commonly prescribe it for 6 to 12 months to PERMANEMNTLY kill off hyperactive melanocytes due to postinflammatory hyperpgimentation (which MJ had from his acne), sun spots and unwanted loes and freckles. This is why when lasers are used to destroy freckles or moles it is permanent. The same goes for women who get too many deep chemical peels, their faces become pink and depegimented permanently, read up about it.
“It is impossible to evenly bleach your skin white, people have attempted, in places like Jamaica, to do just that, and guess what, they’ve died from toxin poisoning.”
>Not true, you can read about many blacks who have done this and lived. It is however, dangerous. One reason is it contains mercury which causes brain damage. The term “Mad as hatter” comes from old time hatters who used mercury to press felt hats into shape.
MJ has a “Body Dismorphic Disorder” and a lot of money. He was able to convice plastic surgeons to preform negligent surgery on his face (notlebly his nose) I am sure if he wanted, he could employ a similarly corrupt doctor to assist him in full body bleaching–thought one has to wonder if it could have contributed to his madness.
By the way you link to: http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/michael-jacksons-vitiligo-discussion-6/ Doesn’t work.
MAYC:
“mj has lupus symptoms include rashes/ pink red scaly patches on the skin this matches what looks like on mjs cheeks”
>True around the time of “We are the World” his cheeks are pink and it looks similar the the “Butterfly” rosacea of Lupus. I am very skeptical. First of all, when you depigment your face it bocomes pink and you cheeks look pinkest, like pale Irish skin. Also, it could have been make up to give himself pink cheeks since he was starting to look ghoslty white from the belaching. What makes me most skeptical is he never talks about having Lupus at all.
Read up and check sources, you’ll see what I am telling you is true.
AB123, My headteacher had a saying : Empty barrels make the most sound, I have skipped over most of the drivel you have written, because the first few lines convinced me that you are NOT acqainted with MEDICINE, inspite of the million links you posted. All you need is access to Jackson’s authentic medical history. Check Larry King’s interview with Jackson’s dermatologist. Since you seem to have LIMITLESS TIME ON YOUR HANDS, You should have no problem finding it on You-Tube.Good luck.All the verbose ramblings of yours are irrelevant speculations.
Two more things:
An explination for MJ’s “vitiligo” from prominent NY cosmentic dermatologist Pamela Lipkin on ABC News:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Cosmetic/Story?id=131910&page=3
The name for the splotching CAUSED by skin bleaching is “Ochronosis” here’s the link:
http://www.ijdvl.com/article.asp?issn=0378-6323;year=2003;volume=69;issue=7;spage=76;epage=77;aulast=Quyoom
The link to Vitiligo discussion 6 does work. I fixed it.
Randy Taborelli’s book, “The Madness and the Music”? You’ve got to be kidding me. His books on MJ as well as Elizabeth Taylor, Princess Diana, etc are all inaccurate, if not half truths & whole lies full of sensationalism. Its fan fiction. Anyone who sights this as a source will nor be taken seriously by me.
Of course, there are skin bleach products. But none of them cause people to turn white like Michael Jackson has become in the past decade and a half. Yes, vitiligo causes patches. But there are also two TYPES of vitiligo: focal and universal. Michael Jackson has the latter. Moreover, he underwent depigmentation. If one thinks that it is possible to go through with depigmentation without having vitiligo without DYING, that particular person needs to read some basic texts on dermatology.
Does it really matter if Michael spoke about Lupus at all?
A dermatologist testified under oath that Michael Jackson has vitiligo.
“A dermatologist testified under oath that Michael Jackson has vitiligo.
>The Dermatologist you are referring to is Arnold Klein, he was MJ’s personal Dermatologist (therefore on the MJ payroll) for many years following MJ’s scalp burn in ‘84 and his subsequent skin bleaching period. In a Vanity Fair article:L http://www.chaos2004.com/vanity3.php it says that police served search warrants to Dr. Klien for MJ’s dermatologic treatment records regarding his ’skin disease’ but ALL were REMOVED by Dr. Klein and he and his attorney would not reveal where they were. Therefore, Klein could testify anything he wanted to in court and there were no medical records to back up his claims. Please read the article, it also confirms what I wrote before; MJ couldn’t bleach his penis, thus it still has pigment on it creating the splotches in question. It also talks about how he was bleaching his face, wanting to lighten his skin and more.
The primary and most prevailent symptom of Lupus is fatigue and joint pain. It seems impossible that MJ could have maintained a career of constant performing the way he has with such a disease and also never talked about publically it is his entire life.
I am not going to continue going back and forth over the details. There is virtually no factual evidence anywhere to back up vitilgo as a reason for MJ turning white. It is a reason cooked up by his PR people. MJ has been lying about the extent of his plastic surgery for decades and he has the money and power to get others, including doctors to lie for him too –he’s worth 1/2 billion dollars and bought his way out of the child molestion case as well.
The bottom line is if you check the facts, history, links, videos, pictures and swarn statements by other prominent dermotologists, family memebrs (Google the lyrics to Jermain’s song he wrote called “Word to the Badd”) and today he lies for MJ about him having ‘vitiligo’ but says he can’t remember the name of the disease. Also people who worked for Jackson and Jordan Chandlers tesimony–It all adds up to the fact that he bleached his own skin starting inadvertantly with his face by overdoing it with Retin-A and hydroquinone treatments for acne spots–(just like he overdid it with nose jobs and sleeping with boys and all the other stupid stuff he did to self destruct)–and then bleached the rest of his body, like vitiligo sufferers sometimes do.
The more you look, the more you will see that the factual evidence points more and more to that explination and more and more away from ‘vitiligo’ Here are more links:
PRE-Bleaching his face:
http://www2c.airnet.ne.jp/stevie/MICHAEL%20JACKSON/OFF%20THE%20WALL.jpg
POST-Bleaching his face:
http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeyesunday/images/mjface.jpg
CLEARLY BLEACHED FACE and BROWN UNBLEACHED HANDS, NECK AND EYELIDS:
Link #1: http://michaeljacksonstore.com/images/PRINCE%20CHARMING.jpg
LINK #2:http://www.paul-simon.info/PHP/pictures/thumb2/1062103008_jacksonpaul.jpg
Bleached face and hand, brown pigment under his fingernails where bleaching cream don’t reach: http://www.hollyscoop.com/BlogImages/75390128—michael_jackson.jpg
Bleached face, brown pigment remaining in his hairline and neck:
#1: http://www.coolstamps.com/tou98ss-sinatra-mj.jpg
#2: http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/2746478.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A661AF4A19CE9F91339930FDCFC4C15FBB
The more I read your essays and references to “facts” the more I laugh.
Re: Jermaine
Janet maintained that MJ does have vitiligo, and it is in the family in an interview with Johnathon Ross (2004) You’re going to tell me shes lying too? As with his mother, father and the rest of the family?
Re: Vanity Fair article
VANITY FAIR? You’ve got to be kidding me. Next.
Re: Photos
Once again, there irrelevant. I don’t see how it proves any ‘bleaching’.
Re: Bought his way out of the child molestation case
Okay, I’m just going to repeat this for the one billionth time. This is getting redundant. In an attempt to find corroborating evidence, the Santa Barbara Police Department subjected Jackson to a strip search to see if the description the accuser provided of Jackson’s genitalia was accurate. According to an article from USA Today: “photos of Michael Jackson’s genitalia do not match descriptions given by the boy who accused the singer of sexual misconduct.”
For various legal, personal, professional, financial and practical reasons, Michael Jackson settled the civil lawsuit filed against him by his accuser’s family in 1993. The recently leaked settlement document reveals several interesting facts:
1) Michael Jackson denied any wrongdoing.
2) The boy and his parents could have still testified against Jackson in the criminal trial.
3) Jackson only settled over claims of negligence and not over claims of child molestation.
Go search within this blog, you’ll find it because I posted them [documents & transcripts] in one of my archives.
Because of double jeopardy, anyone accused of a crime will never have to defend themselves for the same allegation twice unless one trial takes place in civil court and the other in criminal court. This was the situation with Michael Jackson in 1993. What people also don’t realize is that when Jackson paid his settlement, he was settling a civil case not a criminal case; he was not being prosecuted, he was being sued. There is a clause in the settlement which states that Jackson in no way acknowledges any wrongdoing by signing the settlement.
There is another clause which specifically states that a settlement in the civil case in no way affects the recipients’ right to testify in a criminal case. The reason no criminal case was brought in 1993 was that the allegations were ludicrous and they couldn’t find any information to back them up. Tom Sneddon presented the case to two grand juries and both of them laughed him out of court. He wasn’t even allowed to bring charges because his case was so pathetic.
The lies that Jackson ‘bought his way out of jail’ has been perpetuated by the media for too long now. There was never a case against Jackson in 1993 and that was evident over a year prior to the settlement. With the criminal case in limbo because it was so moronic and the allegations hanging over his head until the media got some resolution, a settlement was the only way Jackson could make everything disappear.
vitiligo is real iv got it but no one can tell cz i cover it up with make up. i can sorta understand why mj always wants to aviod the world cz its really distressing when people r spreading so many rumours about him. im not sure if hes got vitiligo or not cz someones research above is pretty convincing. whatever hes got i still reckon hes talented. but y were there stories on the news that he was stupid towrds children. i kno thats quite an irrelavent point but iv heard it n i jus wanna kno whether its tru or not.
oops it wasnt an irrelevant point because its on the comment above mine. lol.
abc123:.
-Smoking Gun! abc123 this is the most inaccurate and bias site you could ever get information from!!!!! i remember reading this at the time or after the trial!!!! its definately not a credible site
i was soo shocked that you wud use this site as a reference!
-why is michael jackson’s nails perfectly white in th 1988 grammy awards show (nothing like what it looks now – im thinking mayb when you grow old people’s nails get discoloured (like my dad who is 50))
-i think the most unreasonable thing to do is if mjs face was in fact the only place that was affected wud he then go and bleach the rest of his body
It seems like its the most difficult and risky solution to take
if he was bothered to put makeup on his hands which were black to make them white they could hav just put brown makeup on his face instead …and then he could wear tshirts and so on
-also, mj face was perfectly smooth through the thriller era …after this time i highly believe if he was using the cream (which had bleaching agent) he would have discontinued using it
in ‘we are the world’ we can see he is a very light brown (he wud hav stopped by now), are you saying the bleaching agent continues to have an impact despite discontinuing use ???
-FLOACIST : lupus does have affects on joints and so on
it is a bit query that the only symptom he has is the rash
My Friend has Lupis and she is also in remission, just like Michael was, and the only symptom she has is the red cheeks once in a while, like MJ. No joint problems… they said Michael was in remission a long time ago!!! Get your facts straight… you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Please, Lupus can have long periods of Remission. I know people who have Lupus in remission and have no joint pains at all, the period of remission could extend over decades. Certainly Seal does not look like he is incapacitated, and he has had Lupus for DECADES. This is like saying anyone diagnosed with MS must have muscle weakness or be paralysed. Many patients have long periods of remission, even decades.This is nothing unusual. I doubt if abc123 will ever change his ,mind, but by the same token he is NOT GOING TO INFLUENCE ANY BODY HERE.
abc123
another thing!
donny osmond said he saw the disease back in the early 80s…michael jackson had showed him
i can show you a link to the clip if you want to see it
sorry actually im not sure if it was early 80s
but it is donny osmond … who really has got no reason to lie… and he is not that close of a friend to mj either
- mayC (just so you know):
“Discoid lupus erythematosus affects only the skin. People with discoid lupus, also called cutaneous lupus, experience a circular rash on the face, neck and scalp. A small number of people with discoid lupus may develop systemic lupus erythematosus, though it isn’t possible to predict who will develop the more serious form of lupus.” (http://www.mayoclinic.com/print/lupus/DS00115/DSECTION=all&METHOD=print)
Smoking Gun may be biased with titling the names of various documents (naming the files ‘jacko’ instead of his government name) but as far as I know, from what I’ve seen thus far it is credible.
i remember reading from smoking gun…there were others….but theres one i remember reading and it was that during the raid they found the boys underwear which had sperm stains on them.
If this were true…hard evidence like this … you wouldn’t describe the prosecution team to be weak and insufficient of evidence
i’ve read soo many articles and i’ve never read about this piece of evidence anywhere else
i dunno, mayb im wrong and its not a piece of evidence that is that strong and relevant ??????
I should not have brought up MJ’s molestation case because this dialog we are having is not about that, it is about his skin bleaching. I will say though, that I read the entire sworn depostion by Joran Chandler (many pages long, photcopied from the original authentic document) on TSG, it was not fake and is factual evidence–I agree MayC.
Back to MJ’s skin.
His nails are not brown in certain picture because he paints them to look the same color as his skin sometimes. They can not go from brown to pink and back to brown again on their own. Also, fingernails do not turn brown from aging, especially by your 40’s unless you have a chronic fungus.
Good question about the smoothness of MJ’s face during Thriller. That is how bleaching creams begin to work, they target only the hyperactive melanocytes to even out and refine your complexion. If MJ stopped with the bleaching and nose jobs as he looked in the Motown 25 special (1983)his life and career would be another story entirely, he looked great. The incideous thing about the bleaching creams is you skin looks better and better and a user with a dismorphic disorder like MJ may think if he just keeps using it he’ll look even BETTER, but what you are really doing is slowly killing off your melancytes. It is very easy, after long term over use to cross a line without knowing it at first and permanently bleach your face to a cosmetically undesirable extent which will show up in the next few skin cycles AFTER you stop using it (each skin cycle is 6 weeks). I think MJ DID mean to improve, freshen and lighten his skin (as was written about countless times) but went too far and doesn’t know when to stop–just like with the nose jobs and other facial plastic surgeries and other stupid things he’s done in his life.
If you look at many pictures of him carefully between the Thriller and We are the World era you can see that his face became bleached pink right around that time. He then started using make up to cover it, as in the We are The World video. In the Smooth Criminal video he’s wearing very dark brown make up. But if you watch the Moonwalker movie, he is bleached practically white and they were both made around the same time.
Donny Osmond has every reason to potentially lie for MJ–BECAUSE they are old friends. MJ is OBLIGATED to lie about a lot of things by his PR people and I am sure Donny does not want to disrespect that. Do you think MJ would go on TV and tell every one that Donny Osmond wears a wig? (which he does)
To floacist:
Before you make comments about the accuracy of Vanity Fair why don’t you research what you’re saying and look up the police report yourself?
As for Janet telling the truth about MJ’s skin or not I have 5 words to say about her honesty in the media–”It was a wardrobe malfunction”
ABC123:
You have a theory (post inflammatory hyper pigmentation) and conclude based on that theory and hypothesis how Michael became the way he is today. Yes, if you do apply the bleaching creams they way you suggest, it could lead to what you suggest.
But there is another explanation too. And that is plain Vitiligo. None of your claims prove beyond doubt it is *not* vitiligo. You have a theory that *could* have happened, but you are not able to prove your hypothesis either.
Also, in this photo, you can clearly see Vitiligo on his left knuckles as he is coming out of the pool.
http://youthoughtso.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/mjackson2.jpg
Secondly, Vitiligo starts around the genital areas, armpits, nipples etc. So, it is in keeping with what you would expect with MJ and the police report.
What you say about his knuckles in that photo to me is ridiculous. What you see on his wet left knuckles are highlights from the flashbulb that took the picture, just like you see on the knuckle of his right index finger, his knee, forehead, tip of what then was his actual nose, etc. Also, bend your knuckles, they get lighter and shinyer from the skin stretching. That goes for white and medium black people just like MJ.
Post inflammatory hyperpigmentation is not a theory, it is a fact that you can see in many photos, videos and he talks about in numerous interviews including the Bashir one. The fact that he was using bleaching creams on his face for years to treat this has been written about many times. Looking at the progression of photos I refer to clearly shows the gradual and total bleaching of just his face (initially minus his eyelids, hairline, upper lip and nose), then his neck and subsequentally the rest of his body.
Short of reviewing MJ’s medical records or knowing him personally NOBODY knows for sure if he has vitiligo or not. That said, I believe there is much more obvious evidence (photographic and otherwise) to support my claim than there is to truly support vitiligo.
One footnote; I find it a bit interesting that in his big Oprah interview in 1993 where he first publically discussed his ’skin disorder’ he never called it Vitiligo. It’s is a bit strange that he would not if it was truly what he was suffering from.
The only thing i ask is that everybody should take this disease seriously. I don’t know if Mj really had or not vitiligo bit i do and i know what it means. I’ve had it since I was 14 and now I’m 19 it affects your pesonality and the way you think, it makes you feel unprotected and ugly. Even if you have millions of dollars there is NO CURE. I put myself in MJ’s place and actually understand him the only thing that makes your skin look “even” and not pathed is using the despigmentation on it so if he did that i totally understand him.
Please don’t predjudice people if you don’t know them and mostly if you don’t know what they’ve been through…think about that.
To the person who said “why is Michael’s face pink”?, I have a few points:
1. That picture looks fine to me, his face looks to match with the rest of his body…
2. As his face did actually lighten, you have to realize that vitiligo starts in certain places. Some of the most common places that vitiligo tends to FIRST appear is: the face, hands, arms.
The guy has a skin disease, get off his back already!
I have nothing against MJ. He’s a brilliant entertainer, has done amazing things for charities around the world and I feel sorry for him that he has to live with such debilitating results of self induced, excessive cosmetic manipulation of his body for the rest of his life. Still, vitiligo does not lighten your face like his (as seen in all the photos), he bleached it
You have no idea what your talking about..There are people in city that have this disease and I know two of them personally. The disease does start on the face of some and work it’s way on through. So as for your statement about if this is a real disease it is. Secondly may I ask that you refrain from doing what you do on a daily bases. Namely smoking. If you were so busy being angry about your situation in life and trying to tear people down, you could help people with your knowledge of health and science.. Do that and you’ll be a happier person.
i have vitilgio and yeah it does attack in large ways….or gradually lucky for me it’s just on my hands and thanks to treatments it’s coming back one hand is already back to normal. but Michael wears make-up coz, his disorder was serve and also, diet is a tribute to the disorder he at the time was probably on the wrong diet not getting enough vitiams. but what you see is today is make-up. take a look at his Jesse Jackson B-Day party photos, his nose is spotted. But i wonder what would happen if he tries some other rejuvenating treatments again…they’ve gotten better over time.
I truly feel that what happened to Michael was terrible. But i don’t think that people should judge people by their skin color cause it doesn’t matter, what matters is the kind of person you are inside and
Michael is truly a good person with a great talent. I don’t want to sound pushie anything like that but something has to help him get better. All I want to do is pray for him.
By the way rock on Michael!
Ignore what people say
i agree everyone thinks he bleached his skin he had a diease but he had som behind the scenes with his voice because thts like okay but im not i hater i love michael jackson he is the best pop singer in the whole world and he will always live i cried when he died i feel bad because he lived a bad life with the press making it worst he was stressed and in pain michael jackson was a nice man and cared but no one cared about him meaning haters and press the press need to understand people can be famous but they still r normal people!!!
http://www.mjsite.com/pages/1389
Definitely looks like Vitiligo to me.
Uh, no. LOL. That is acne, but no sign of vitiligo. He wasn’t diagnosed with it that early. Either way, thats NOT how vitiligo skin looks like.
Like some commentators above, I have vitiligo and – first, honestly, I wish no one even asked about his skin. It can be a psychologically debilitating disease. I can’t even imagine how I’d feel if someone thought I was deliberately bleaching instead of dealing with vitiligo. (Not that bleaching is impossible, I’m just saying.) Also, I get the impression that people think vitiligo appears at once all over the body. On the contrary, my vitiligo was only on my knees and elbows for years before it started spreading. So if Jackson’s face is the only place you can see it at first…well, there’s nothing remarkable about that. My hair, just fyi, is still pigmented and I’d say I have vitiligo now on 40% of my body. As to why he didn’t tell Oprah “I have vitiligo,” man, I have friends of years I’ve never told. It sounded to me like he was just trying to get off the topic.
How about none of your business for the people who figure they dont believe. You not the one that had to go through it so you will base lack of knowledge to assuption.
Ive had vitiligo all my life from age 3 till now 32. Not alot of people new I had vitiligo when I was alot younger even me because it was one or two little spots.
http://www.geocities.com/queen_gyal/nikegyal2.bmp
When I was about between 10 to 14 was the most horrible years of being a teen. From 13 years old 1990 to 2002 which is 12 years I wore make-up every, every, every day. If anyone popped up at my house unannounced I never, never answered the door. Why because I did not have my make up on.
http://www.geocities.com/queen_gyal/portrait.JPG
In 2002 I made a change from wearing dark make-up (ebony complex) to wearing a light ivory tone makeup, drastic visual change? Yes.
http://www.geocities.com/queen_gyal/cyar.jpg
I went from being at work on Friday as a dark skin woman to being at work on Monday as a light skin woman.
Im no celebrity and people I worked with though I had a proceedure done over the weekend LOL. Nope!!! I just changed makeup because I was pretty much putting dark makeup over to much white skin.
Now I live with over 75% of white skin. Some think Im mixed with something, you know bi-racial etc. At times I may look to some as if I am albino, it depends.
http://www.geocities.com/queen_gyal/zoomer.jpg
I wore long sleeves, pants and could not wait for summer to be over because wearing make up in 100 degree weather is excruciating lol..
I my legs are still blotchy and my arms also have blotches of dark area. My face is completely covered with vitiligo and I look Light skinned to many or of hispanic, puerto-rican decent. But will forever be a black woman of Trinidadian decent.
We know lots of folk may think im lying. But its true to me because its my experience that I would not wish on anyone. No just because you did not have to go through something like this or have the outrageous reasoning of what your choices would be if you had it is idiotic. you cant answer that question unless you went through it. Through elementry school, middle school, high school, college, life, forever and ever, every day, every day.
Have I tried repigmentation? yes. Did i feel it would work for me? no am I trying depigmentation. hell to the yes. why? why the hell wouldnt I? Aren’t you enjoying being one complection? So i would to, even at the risk of experiencing crappy sun burn on a beautiful sunny day.
MOST RECENT PIC
http://www.geocities.com/queen_gyal/IMAGE_034.jpg
BRING IT ON TO ALL THE PHOTOSHOP EXPERTS.. WHATCHA THINK? CAUSE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING RIGHT?
I think you freaked my freak, and I appreciate you sharing your experience with the disease.
I’d just like to know the name of the makeup that Shelly and others wear to color their skin so beautifully. WOW! That’s quite a lovely transformation. Please do tell guys because the most intelligent inquiring of minds simply want to know!
Shelley thanks for your story. It was good of you to come out like that. Best wishes for the future.
http://www.mjsite.com/pages/1389
BELIEVE ME DEFINITLEY NOT VITILIGO ON THIS PIC.. THATS JUST ACNE ON THIS PIC
compare these two pictures prince does look like michael
michael
http://www.mjsite.com/pics/1194.jpg
prince
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tmz.com/media/2007/02/0201_jackson_kids_2.jpg
LOL.Okay Kelly just came out of nowhere with that one. But reading Shellys story I’m totally convinced that Michael has vitiligo. Her transformation is similar to Mike’s.When I first read the whole face bleaching theory i was skeptical.Only because of the many people I know with vitiligo none of them were completely white in the face.Seeing Shelly has totally changed my view. I think what made people doubt Michael so much was the fact that he had a nose job.Could he have gotten the second nose job because his first nose job didn’t match his newly white skin? I don’tknow on that one. Haha. Mike wore guess jeans.
I have all these and i was diagnosed in my 3rd grade year while im in 8th now it still majorly affects me. i havnt worn shorts in god knows how long and right now im taking treatments to regain pigmentation. my goal for the treatments is that by the end of it I want to know how it feels how to not be overheated in the summer since i live in Vegas and it gets into the triple digits often here and i miss being able to wear shorts in pe and not having to change in the bathroom. when they talked about the emotional part about it it really is true. most people see it as something not NEARLY as major as cancer or something like that but i want to go and ask someone to go and wear pants, longsleeve shirts, long socks in 125 degrees and not wish they could wear wat everyone else was wearing. dont see it as something unimportant till you get the perspective of someone who actually has it. i hope to gosh [i dont believe in god] that i get better and by my 15th birthday i can wear a dress and feel secure about it :] be happy that you dont have to hide something like this. dont get self conscious about a pimple when its nothing major just think about us and you’ll see its not.
I found the best way to deal with vitiligo is to have permanent Make-Up. I use a top prefessional in the field called Tracey Simpson who owns a company called http://www.natural-enhancement.co.uk
yes.. you’re very right.. most people don’t know that he sufferring a vitiligo disease… they think he did an operation to whiten him self. How pity..
Fuck Micheal dis is bull shit his a fuckin liar he was black and beautiful and everybody wants to forgive him fuck dat shit he aint nuffin but a liar and his getting his people to lie for him i dont belivie shit and dats what he is.
Skin bleaching or Vitligo is not important. You can argue for AGES of what is the truth, but the truth really is that he is the greatest entertain to have graced our planet.
Even if he did bleach his skin, it would be his body and not yours. He has the right to do whatever he wants to his body, which is a fact no one can deny.
However, personally I can relate more to the Vitiligo theory than the bleaching. Let’s put it in a perspective:
The Vitiligo theory is more genuine because there are so many pictures that clearly show the pigmentation spots that can only be caused by Vitiligo. Also reports from the court cases have shown nothing else but a positive for his skin disease.
For the skin bleaching, it’s really hard to see any genuine evidence: the only thing that really supports the bleaching thing is the pink’ish tone on his cheeks. But yeah, that pink skin tone can only be seen one place and that is on his cheeks: exactly where people with Lupus got it.
If he really was bleaching his skin, wouldn’t we then see a massive load of pictures where it’s evident hes got it on the rest of his body? The pink skin tone would be all over his body if he really was bleaching.
The only that is all over his body is the pigment spots, which all leads to one conclusion:
Michael Jackson has vitiligo.
This is a great find. I myself has suffer from this vitiligo for about 20 years. stil no cure!
I think the fact the both Lupus and Vitiligo are autoimmune diseases and that both are affected by stress and both have severe sensitivity to sunlight, etc. go hand in hand. Perhaps it all started out with his adolescent spots…it all just got worse from there. He is a highly stressed individual and that vitiligo would have spread like a cancer over his whole body. It could also cause flare-ups of Lupus, which could be why he tends to have joint pain and ill health at times, like right now. Give him a break. I’d go through some pretty crazy things emotionally, too, if my skin was changing so drastically. But truly, what happens to his own skin is his business. We have no right to go around judging him. It is the soul which matters, and he’s got one beautiful soul!
I think the fact the both Lupus and Vitiligo are autoimmune diseases and that both are affected by stress and both have severe sensitivity to sunlight, etc. go hand in hand. Perhaps it all started out with his adolescent spots…it all just got worse from there. He is a highly stressed individual and that vitiligo would have spread like a cancer over his whole body. It could also cause flare-ups of Lupus, which could be why he tends to have joint pain and ill health at times, like right now. Give him a break. I’d go through some pretty crazy things emotionally, too, if my skin was changing so drastically. But truly, what happens to his own skin is his business. We have no right to go around judging him. It is the soul which matters, and he’s got one beautiful soul!
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Reply to omment #2 by anonymous on July 27 2007. I dont know if the hair does lose colour with vitiligo but most of michaels hair is no longer his own, he suffered 2nd and 3rd degree burns to his head whilst making a pepsi commercial which burnt out most of his hair, he now wears a weave – this is probably why there is no loss of colour in his hair.
I am a boy of 28years old, i just want to know if my life can help Micheal Jackson situation. what will cost me to help him. i am a very poor young guy. I can put down my life for Michael Jackson to leave and go on with his life.
I am not important so if it will cost my life, i don’t mind.
Thanks
He is a highly stressed individual and that vitiligo would have spread like a cancer over his whole body. It could also cause flare-ups of Lupus, which could be why he tends to have joint pain and ill health at times, like right now.
Well, I am a fan of Michael Jackson the entertain of the early 80s and late 80s. At that time Michael Jackson was on top of his musical and dance game. I truly believe that “WE” the people and fans can never really know if the man had Vitiligo or a abuse of skin bleaching cream. I will give examples for people who believe he had a skin condition and those who dont. Well if you believe Michael had Vitiligo than there are many pics that will show he used very light make up on his face during the Bad album era. Around the time of this album Michael never went anywhere without make up on. There are times when he wasnt on tour when he wore less make up, but he alway had it on regardless. In typical vitiligo cases there are usually blotching of the hands or lips to start off with. Michael did have discoloration of the “FACE” during the time after Thrillers release. However, his case of Vitiligo would have been the RAREST case ever reported in my opinion. I know for a fact that there are picture of Michael Jackson on youtube under “Michael Jackson Rare Pics” that show Michael in the after Thriller, Pre-BAD Era without any make up on. His face has a pinkish or redish look to it. Some will say its due to the Lupus he suffered from. However there are slim to no noticable pics of Michaels hands having blotching from Vitiligo during this time. I tell u why, Michael Jackson did wear make up on his hands during the BAD TOUR and Era, as well as in his music videos during this time. He did not wear make up on his hands in the late 80s when he was excepting awards for the Bad albums success, which clearly show brown skin on his hands all around.
I am a true fan of Michael Jackson music and dancing performances, not the Man in general. We as fan would have had more compassion for Mike if during the pre Bad Era if he said look, I had a skin condition that is effecting my skin color, yes i wear make up to blend my skin complexion. But he never did that so it ultimately made everyone wonder like what the heck is he doing! Michael Jackson let his shy personality and fear of people guide him in the wrong direction. I truly feel that the fans would have stood behind him if they knew the truth early so rumors couldnt guide there beliefs of the man.
Ima say this and be done with it. Michael Jackson should have have taken personal photos of himself during this time with no make on. Around the mid and late 80s to one day show the world like hey im not lying about my condition. These photos of footage of my skin without make up show u the truth about me. People have never seen his face with pure white Vitiligo blotches that most common Vitiligo patients have… They find it had to belief Michael Jackson statement of him having Vitiligo when he could they is little fact to show his claims. Even his personal doctor could have taken photos of his condition for Medical Record as most doctors due anyway. He would have to have the rarest case of Vitiligo in History in my opinion but i truly dont know if he had it or didnt….. He took the depigmentation treatment so it is a mystery forever MORE. THank YOu
I know these posts are old but:
ITA! There is an obvious change in his early twenties where he started to use make up on his face and the glove on his hand. Before that he never wore make up, even during the acne period. It seems obvious to me that there were changes happening on his skin.
I pity the fools who cannot recognize makeup in a photoshoot. Where his hands are a different colour from his face that is what it is!
Also, how old are some of these posters? Make up for black skin was not particularly great in the late 70’s and early eighties. Quite often it had a white or pinkish undertone to it.
Anyway, it’s all irrelevant now. The autopsy clearly states that he had depigmentation. So much for all the trash talkers.
R.I.P. Michael. We miss you !
I mean he suffered from depigmentation of the skin. He DID NOT LIE about his skin condition!!!
Hello fellow bloggers! I have found one of the best pics in the Late 80s of michael Jackson without any make up on. Now this pics will show michael jackson make up free, looking like what most people refer to as his discoid lupus or rosey cheeks. This pic will also show that he has discoloration around the area of his nose, eyes, and forehead. As well as normal brown skin around the neck area.
This pics makes me wonder were the area of vitiligo is or if the vitiligo area is the rosey or reddish cheek area.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a151/mjgrl4ever/Bad%20era%202/41.jpg
haiii michael ,what ever said by others just leave them in ther way ,u r great ,u r great what ever u look ,i admire u ,u r song etc..,U dont need to worry ,u have a good heart ,god will bless u ,Micheal i love u ….be strong ,see ya …
sreejith thampy.r india ,kerala,tvm,
he tell thetrue ihave vitiligo and iwhanttobe white but idonthavemoney
for pimpin
well if u search on youtube “Lee thomas vitiligo”(lee thomas is an anchorman who has vitiligo), u can see that in one video he showed himself while he is working on tv for Fox news,and…he showed himself with wihte hands and brown face, so the fact that during the 80s Mike’s hands were black, and his face was white is not important to define if the fact that he has vitiligo it’s true or not!
Anyway everyone should see this clip from the Bad tour(the show):
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=_s0e2YPTHIU
In my opinion he has vitiligo!
I can appreciate why everyone is challenging my claim that MJ bleached his own skin and doesn’t have vitiligo. The reason i feel i am correct, which I was too ashamed to write about before is that I inadvertantly bleached my own face and know the hard way what it is like. Luckily I am not black like MJ and it doens’t look that bad. I went to the dermatologist for sun damage and was givien strong Retin-A cream mixed with Obagi bleaching cream. At first it made my skin look younger and better but I inadvertanly used it too long. I read one day that the Obagi cream has perscription strength nydroquinone bleaching cream (my dermatologist didnt tell me that) and over time that can permananetly lighten your skin so I stopped using it. Over the next few months I helplessly watched my once nice light olive complexion turn lighter and yellower and then finally pinker, like Irish skin. My cheeks turned pinkiest, because without pigment to cover them, cheeks are the pinkest part of the face. It looks like when someone had too many chemical peels and looks pink. I used to tan really well, now I burn and have to stay out of the sun. Part of this was probably my fault because I kept using it and didn’t go back to the doctor to follow up like i should have, but i didn’t think it would cause permanent damage either based on what they told me (or didn’t tell me)and that I was told to stay on maintenence (twice a week) on going according to the instructions.
I do not look unatural, and most people don’t think I look like there is some thing wrong, but people who knew me before keep saying i changed and don’t know how. They think i dyed my hair darker even though I didn’t, it’s because my face is lighter. I feel bad for those who have vitiligo, and I am not comparing, but this was hard to learn to adjust to it. Sometimes I use a little self tanner or a little bit of make up and lots of sunblock
I firmly believe, based on all the stuff I wrote earlier in this blog, and all the photo links i supplied, and everything I read and see about MJ that he started with Retin-a and belaching cream for acne spots (it’s the same treatment I was given for sun damage) and he probably liked how it made his skin look at first, like in the Motown25 era, when his skin looked smooth and refined and spotless. He probably kept using it too much and went too far (as he clearly tends to do with other things), by accident like I did. It takes 6 weeks for the effects of what you do to the lower layers of skin to show up on the surface, so I didn’t know i went to far until AFTER I stopped using it and doubt MJ did either–until it’s too late.
I look at this link for #74 above:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a151/mjgrl4ever/Bad%20era%202/41.jpg
and all i see is a black guy who used bleaching cream on his face, where he had acne spots (his cheeks, around his mouth) and brown pigment left where he didn’t use it (the tip of his nose, his eyelids, ears, hairline and neck) I believe the red cheeks are not lupus but the absence of pigment, and if he was still using Retin-a & bleaching cream at the time it was taken, I can assure you, those creams cause your skin to turn very pink and red, i know from experience. He may also have rouge make up on.
i still stand behind what i said; I believe he bleached his face white but didn’t really mean to go that far. He couldn’t go around with a white face and black body so he used make up for a while to turn it brown again (see smooth criminal video) and then had to decide to either keep using make up for life or bleach the rest of his body so he did. i am not saying I have 100% proof he doesn’t have vitiligo, but i really strongly doubt it and when i look at all the pictures of those who do have it, it looks nothing like MJ.
I believe that his advisors came up with the vitiligo explination he uses in interviews because he couldn’t come out and admit the truth, it is hard for me to admit I bleached my face too. I also believe this is why he became so reclusive after Thriller and one reason he was percieved as so weird. He is weird, but i think this added to it a lot. I bet he was pretty devestated having to keep this big secret while being the top star in the world. I feel bad for him
Pink face in the process of being bleached, brown pigment remains on body and eyelids: http://youthoughtso.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/mjackson2.jpg
.. yep people are idiots.
Michael was a sex symbol when he was black.. why would he change colors if he had it all? If you’re so ignorant to think that your own race is the best thing since sliced bread, you should be put down the way of everyones favorite doggy..
Besides, asian is the way to go. Michael was/is into the japanese anime scene, like Akira. He admitted his fascination with things of that nature and even tried it out in his video “Scream” if he really wanted to go that way.. he’d look japanese.
ab123 The main problem with your argument is the fact that you don’t know jackson. you say he doesn’t even have lupus when there are medical records and court documents that say he has vitiligo and lupus. Even his lawyer from the last trial said he has it and he said at a small venture not a big interview so he was not just trying to get attention he was just talking to a few people.
You know what i think you want to believe he bleached his skin cause it gives yo a reason to hate him. you really need to get a life
and pic of mj coming out of the pool was probably taken around 1980/81/82 mj did’t have vitiligo then. You cann tell because pics from the early 80’s his skin was smooth and brown then around the thriller video (1984 ish) it became blotchy
further more if you knew anything mj was diagnosed in 1984( around the thriller video) i think he may have had small spots on his hands during the early 80’s( that’s where it usually starts) but it didn’t really become serious until 1983/84 and you can tell from pics thats when his skin really started to look uneven. you argument about the acne makes no since because his acne had pretty much cleared up by 1980
Kelly,
Don’t even let yourself get worked up by what ab123 said. If he/she wants to go through life thinking just because they bleached their skin, that MJ must have done it as well then let them. I don’t think Michael will lose any sleep over this person…
Watch this video and see what Michael Jackson thinks of his race:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OBUgE6EDFo
The sound quality is poor at the beginning so turn it up, but make sure you turn it down at 1:29 as the sounds improves. Filmed in 2002.
Ignorance destroys humanity, so don’t be ignorant!
This is a rather stupid question, but I always wondered… On which parts of his body did he have a depigmentation done? Because if he still has spots on his arms, legs, etc., he can’t have had a depigmentation there, ’cause it’s permanent, isn’t that right?
Vitiligo is hard to deal with people think its only cosmetic and it shouldnt cause any problems. Well those people are wrong. It causes some people to become extremely insecure and is emotionally cripiling.( im pretty sure i spelled that wrong) Anyways i have it and i would know. People need to get a heart. The more you judge others the more you will be judged. Have some compassion. Were not asking for sympathy. But its easier to cope without people hating.
I’m a 35 year old black woman suffering with vitiligo on my face and folds of skin. It is not easy for blacks because we are hated and terrorized for our appearance. I live in a small ignorant town (Snow Hill, MD) where people black and white have lied about my condition being caused by drugs. This is not how vitiligo starts at all. It is hard to maintain employment because co-workers make it impossible without conflict. At the local Walmart in the neighbor town of Pocomoke MD. The workers laughed and make horrible remarks about my appearance. A white female with a large portwine mark was in the at the same time and nothing was said about her.
those people are shit….i am white(even though i don’t like myself being white)
but anyway i can just say i am so sorry 4 you…you already suffer 4 the disease plus you have to handle stupid people like those……anyway don’t think about them God will find the right punishment…. kisses
I knew when MJ said he had the disease he was telling the truth when i found out what Vitiligo was, because i saw people with it and they used to scare me when i was little to i figured out what happened. But i agree with Michael when he said why should his pigment even matter even if he did want to be white….uh SO!- i mean i know that was not the case 1) because it doesnt make sense but anyway it doesnt matter what women who chooses to date or whatever. you gotta grasp who Michael Jackson is and how hard it is for him to find people he can connect with on a personal level let alone trust. And even those weren’t who he thought they were. And i can see how he got freakin stressed! all these daggone years he put in just so we can have musical escape that changed the freakin world forever! It would look like people woulod be greatfull despite what they see but noooooo America has to find SOMETHING to critize somebody about. And about the child molesting thing while im at it, do u really truely believe Michael Jackson who wouldnt harm a daggone fly if it bit him, would do something like that to a child- no he loves them to much to hurt them. andi think thats disgusting. even after the little boy confessed that he was lying, ppl still dont believe bc they would rather believe a lie than the truth!!! and 1) why didnt anybody come down on the mother of the child when in fact she did not know Michael Jackson but allowed him to stay there…uh duh! even lisa marie said wiht MJ sitting right there IF SHE DID NOT KNOW MICHAEL she would not have let her child spend the freakin night—so who’s partial fault is this??? the mama’s! thank you. Becuase my mama qouldve carried my black behind home with her that night! u know especially me being so young. But this is not to say Michael Jackson would do anything bc i think that is the fartherest thing from the truth- and really nobody knows what happened bc they were not there so i dont think its fair to put someone’s image on the line like that. I mean ppl are not saying he stole something from a bank or hit-and-run they are saying this guy fondled little children molested or had sex what ever the extremes may be—-all bc of him trying to be generous and give poor children opporunties that he didnt have growing up and they might not have bc of their health state…and this is how people re-pay him; in lies and horendous rumors. The world’s biggest star who ever lived really now c’mon and you’re telling me you cant see how he would stress a little more than the average person?????? c’mon yall please– Michael i dont care what color u are i respect everything u’ve done for us in the music indusrty and in our morals showing us how to treat ppl and remain humble even in our highest state. no one can duplicate that. GOd has blessed him and kept him to this present time and he’ll always always take care of him<333 i wish i were his friend maybe he’d learn how to trust again
Here you go: I’ve worked with Michael Jackson in his studio on and off for over 17 years – that covers most of the time that everyone seems to be fixating upon.
Michael has vitiligo. I’ve seen it with my own eyes, along with the unhappiness it has caused him both privately and publicly. Many great artists are reserved off stage, but for Michael this was compounded by the media and public obsession over his appearance. He covered much of this up with make-up – and for many years hid behind a screen of uncomfortable and impractical panstick.
He’s tried to learn to be accepting that people don’t believe the transformation he’s made over the years, but all this ridiculous argument over it makes it incredibly hard for him. I see him a couple of times a year, usually just for a day or so, and even now, all the speculation and prying offends and upsets him. He is one of the most loving, kind and gentle souls I’ve ever met, and has possibly the most stoic and forgiving nature in the light of such awful injustice, slander and bigotry. He’s not without faults, and has to be one of the most exacting professionals I’ll ever have the fortune to work with. Most of the time, he ignores what people say, and in the last few years he’s gone past caring what people think. He isn’t on earth to justify how he looks – but the public seem to assume that he must account for the changes he made to his appearance, including those that he couldn’t control. I can tell you: I’ve been in a pool with him: before he had depigmentation therapy, he was blotchy all over. Now, he’s basically so white that he burns at even slight exposure to the sun. This was a choice he made: makeup or treatment, and having the money, he got the treatment. I don’t blame him – had I this condition, and the funds, I would have done it too.
And let me tell you: when you get to know him, he’s a normal, easy-going (out of the studio!) guy, with a great sense of humour and is most definitely a BLACK man.
I posted here because he bet me ages ago that I couldn’t find a single site online that really addressed his skin colour in an even manner. I hope I’ve cleared up some of your questions.
you were so lucky to have known him….i was born knowing him and i grew up loving him…not only 4 his music but i don’t know why i always believed he was a great person…now that he is dead…well i swear i just can’t believe it…i woken up on friday with this news…i was dying….but who knows maybe it was better this way so he can’t hear people say mean things about him anymore…even though i didn’t get to see him in person it was ok 4 me knowing that he was living in this world…now…i can’t even explain how i feel….i always hoped that people could stop attacking him before he died…unfortunatly…….
Thank you for posting Leroy. Thanks for clearing matters up for the ignorant and misguided.
R.I.P. Michael. We miss you!
I’m just discovering i could possibly have vitiligo. I have all the symptoms for it and i have a few other people in my family who were diagnosed with it. Its a terrible horrifying thing to have to discover. it started with a small spot on my thumb and within this year has expanded into smaller spots around my body….
When i read this everything about him suddenly makes sense. (not all things!!!) but most of his “wanting to be white” oddities are better understood. im still wearing long sleeves and covering my hands when its really warm out and i no long wear shorts… im just terrified. and its true. when i confided to the people closest to me, they reacted in a way that seemed so careless. i heard things like “its better than cancer” or “its not like its the end of the world”
no … its not.
its the end of MY world.
im never going to wake up in the morning to see the same person i was the day before
im never going to be able to enjoy a day at the pool or beach. Im constantly going to worry about my makeup. And it gets TIRESOME. its hot out i wanna exercise, but people are going to stare. Fucking bastard kids are going to make snide remarks.
They say its not a big deal, but its not them who has to deal with people gawking at you the way youve never been gawked at before…
and its not something ur just born with
and learn to live with.
It didnt hit me and my aunts until we were in our 20s.and i find it worse that way. Same with him…. You think your learning who you are and you think youve got everything figured out.
To one day wake up with a huge white patch across your eye. To look like spot.
How can you not expect people to change… to feel awkward and depressed. I don’t excuse a lot of his behavior but i can understand his insecurities now.
Like someone said before, we could argue about this for years and years, and yet never get to a final answer.
As much as we are hard MJ fans, we have to admit AB123 has a point (if his personal case is true). I have always believed MJ has vitiligo, but AB123 make me doubt.
But I think his story drops down at some point. Ok, Michael bleach his own face, but his body??? I found it very hard to believe that any product can bleach the hole body of someone. And how in the hell did he apply it to his body? I suppose that you are going to tell us that he make a pool of bleaching cream and swim in it???
Look at the pictures of MJ now. It´s obvious that the guy doesn´t have any pigmentation on his skin!!! Do you really think anyone wants to look like that, even if it was to make his body and face even? I don´t so.
If ab123 story was true, Michael would have stayed with the skin color he had on the Bad era, wich was obviusly lighter, but he still had some skin color by that time. I can´t imagine someone using that much product to the point of staying with no skin color.
What I think? I think that the true resides in a little of both stories. To me it´s obvious that MJ has a skin disorder (I mean, look at the guy now), but when this started maybe he didn´t know what to do, and used this skin treatment that ab123 its talking about. That could be the answer to the question on why hes face looked so good and clean in the Bad era. As much as people say this was beacuse of the makeup, I don´t think makeup can cover blotches a 100%, specially in concerts, with Michael dancing and sweating a lot. I think he used treatments and makeup.
If he did used this kind of treatment, was for a reason, and I don´t think this was a bad doing. But, this is not a thing to say in public, specially in a country where racism still exist. Then people would have said MJ didn´t like being black and bleached his skin. They say that anyway, but the difference is that they were to say: ¨He admit it¨.
That´s why MJ admits he has a skin disorder, but he doesn´t give specific details about his treatment. If u see the interview, theres a part he say: ¨I don´t wanna go into my medical history, because that´s something that´s private¨.
I think ab123 it´s reflecting his personal case on Michael. Both cases have similarities, but that doesn´t mean they are the same.
Leroy words apears to be the final true.
I believe michael, theres already anough proof. People should get their facts right before they critisize him like that!
FUCK THE PRESS MICHAEL UR THE BEST, LONG LIVE THE KING OF POP!!!
Michael Jackson had a body dysmorphic image problem; he just couldn’t stand being black in the industry. If vitiligo was his only issue, and decided to bleach his skin, then answer this: why did he have so many surgeries on his face, especially his nose, to look “less black”? It all fits together, whether The Floabullshitist wants to believe that or not. Leroy is a made up character too, who never knew Michael Jackson. That penis story of his vitiligo is also crap. The LAPD picture shows it for what it is, spotty pigmentation on a very little pecker.
Why do so many black folk like to rewrite history to suit themselves? Are you really that uncomfortable with the truth that you must sustain lies?
why do white people get their lips made bigger? so they can look black? no. so why should this work the other way around you twat. the evidence is all there i believe he had the disease, i also herad he wanted to look less like his dad so thats why he had the surgery, but who knows. i dont think its got anything to do with being black or white, its like what anyone that goes through surgery does they want to look different.
Why do pseudo-intellectual know-nothings with a personal problem like you insist on distorting observation to suit your personal agenda, Ralphie? Your Leap to Conclusions chart is ridiculously miscalibrated, linking “the only answer” to some nonsensical, unscientific opinion. You’re just a half-wit troll trying to bridge your ignorance with stupidity instead of logic and reasoning.
Let’s dissect Ralphie’s argument line-by-line to demonstrate how tr0lling works (it’s very simple-minded):
1. “Michael Jackson had a body dysmorphic image problem; he just couldn’t stand being black in the industry.”
You shot yourself in the foot, repeatedly. Word choice: Dysmorphic, from dysmorphism, suggests a congenital issue, not a self-conscious body image issue.
2. “If vitiligo was his only issue, and decided to bleach his skin, then answer this: why did he have so many surgeries on his face, especially his nose, to look ‘less black’?”
This isn’t an answer of any kind, and resolves nothing; it’s a question born of idle speculation and personal grievance. Plus, it’s a non-sequitur logical fallacy. Good job.
3. “It all fits together, whether The Floabullshitist wants to believe that or not.”
Nice try on the “sounding authoritative” front, but nothing “fits together” from the sordid statements you make as a basis for argument. Opinion is not fact, Ralphie.
4. “Leroy is a made up character too, who never knew Michael Jackson.”
You provide no supportive evidence, just wild-ass-guessing. Truth is, there’s no supportive evidence that Leroy is real or fake, or is telling truths or lies.
5. “That penis story of his vitiligo is also crap. The LAPD picture shows it for what it is, spotty pigmentation on a very little pecker.”
Evidently you enjoy looking at penises. Good job. By this we can only deduce you must be, beyond a resonable doubt, absolutely homosexual. See how that works, Ralphie? I used your faulty reasoning against you.
6. “Why do so many black folk like to rewrite history to suit themselves?”
Whom? Where? And how many? Why do you make broad-sweeping generalizations (yet another logical fallacy) yet think you’re basing a sound argument?
7. “Are you really that uncomfortable with the truth that you must sustain lies?”
Again, where’s the supportive evidence? You commit several logical fallacies and make zero factual statements.
This, folks, is how trolling works. If it were good trolling, it’d actually be convincing and indistinguishable from truth and factual observation.
Justin, were you one of M.J.s “special kids” who took it in the ass on a regular basis? Obviously you’re aware of M.J.s organ donor status on his driver license. He wants to donate his dick up your ass.
M.J. was a pedophile for years, why excuse it you moron. A lot of kids can sleep better at night now that he’s gone. Of course David Geffen will still service you too you shitbird.
Is that all you’ve got, “Ben Dover”, a bunch of unoriginal insults?
I made no excuse of anything, just a plain-and-simple breakdown of Ralphie’s blatant stupidity. Yours speaks for itself. Try again. You must feel like a “big man” hiding behind your hateful diatribes, childish name-calling, and anonymity.
GOOOOOOOD JOB !!!!!!!
Rest in Peace King. May you finally be accepted for who you are.
Thanks for the info. It’s good to be informed
Very interesting post. Thank you for sharing with us.
FACT: ab123 is a FUCKING MORAN! and Ben Dover is a FUCKING ASSHOLE! Both are a waste of oxygen and Michael will be better off somewhere he can be himself and not be ridiculed for his imperfections!
He was a genius and an inspiration to entertainers worldwide.
Thank you “the floacist” for writing this and making people aware of his condition.
The REST OF YOU JERKS NEEDS GET A FUCKIN LIFE!!!!!!
Hehe… “MORAN”
Wow, I really wanted to see pictures of his disease in different stages. Thanks. Rest In Peace MJ!
Hey abc123 give it up! dont waste your knowledge! you know the old saying “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink”! thanks for all the info.
Apparently your advice is lost even on you. ABC123 says:
“I can appreciate why everyone is challenging my claim that MJ bleached his own skin and doesn’t have vitiligo. The reason i feel i am correct, which I was too ashamed to write about before is that I inadvertantly bleached my own face and know the hard way what it is like.”
Citing personal belief as a vehicle for anyone else’s motives is patently false.
“I believe that his advisors came up with the vitiligo explination he uses in interviews because he couldn’t come out and admit the truth, it is hard for me to admit I bleached my face too. ”
Try using your brain instead of mindlessly regurgitating quotes you misapply.
Justin,
Where are people like you whenI need a clever comback for some trolls I deal with on everyday basis, but can’t think of one quick enough? I agree with you, personal opinion is not fact, and I’m truly tired of people making continuous speculations about who Michael Jackson was, what he did, what he thought. Who are we to judge? And I hope people don’t base their opinions on those made by tabloids. Also everyone seems to be so stuck on MJ having all those surgeries. What about Pamela Andreson? Cher? Jocelyn friggin’ Wildenstein? Please. At least MJ had his amazing talent to fall back on.
this information had really helped me i thank you for this information…. Michael you was and will always be the greatest of all times no matter what they say they have to admit it you will greatly missed rested in peace
Michael Jackson is and always will be the “King of Pop”. He has literally changed the world, and for people not to believe him on this is absolutely horrible. He had such a traumatic childhood, and he still pushed through and made himself a legend. His songs have meaning, heart, and soul. He works to please his audience, and he appreciates his fans. MJ did not deserve to go through what he had to. Now that he is gone, I’m pretty sure that some people are going to realize what an amazing icon he really was, now that its too late. He is going to be remembered, good or bad. I know he had a rough last couple of years, but that is Michael for you. He is so much more than what people lead him out to be. Tabloids and magazines, mean nothing. He has left us his 3 kids, his legendary music, and his creative, heart-filled dance moves. No matter what anyone says, Michael has changed my life, and many others.
I feel so sorry for him. My heart bleeds tremendously!
I cant believe everyone takes the micky out of him because of a skin conition he has. He has had a hardlife as it is, considering all the court cases of him being a peadophile. This just tie the know now! Well no matter what he has i still think he is an incredably talented man who has the best voice ever and the most amazing dance moves!
To me, Michael Jackson is the God of Pop and should be admired.
I love him! He is my singing hero
he wants everyone to fill sorry for him. and ignore his weird surgical acts.
it was kind of scary watching him perform after all his transformation. i dont see how those any kid could admire him. that some jeepers creepers crap.
after the first nose job of breaking his nose he should had left his entire body alone and maybe he would have made more money from his last albums.
he loved his fans, but in order to love your fans he should have thought well hey people are not going to leave me alone and i lost half my fans after my 20s because of this transformation. That man did not have vitiligo. he was one those obsessed with mutating theirselves.
the only illness he had was cosmopyshopathism. lol
that’s exactly what they want you to believe, and you fell right in to it.
you are an ass!
never knew it was a disease that made his skin white
thought he made it that way
I believed him, i didn’t think he’d bleached his skin.
I tried telling my mother that he had vitiligo
but she doesn’t want to believe it.She’ll have to read this
I bet she’ll change her mind after she’s done
Shameful what the media protrays him as. Its sad thinking about it
R.I.P Michael you will always be in my heart.
the media chose not to report this because “betraying his race” sells better than it. I hate them.
MICHAEL JACKSON KING OF POP AND KING OF OUR HEARTS…….FINALLY REST IN PEACE !!!!!!!!!!
Me amd my mom have vitiligo. Well my mom is always saying she is ugly .I realy admired Michael Jackson wile he was liven.I still do I hope one day I call go by people and they will not ask me if I was bleached or something. I don’t care what they say about me.One day I will see Queen Latefa in person.I realy loved her since I was a little girl .One day I go after my one and only dreams to be a lawer .On my free time I will run track. I don’t have that long to go I am 12 years old in the sevthen grade.By the way love your show.
sinserly A’Kimberia Curtis
love you
your numba 1 fan
Jackson’s life was never, ever normal. For a celebrity of his magnitude, to be seen is to be smothered, to be a star is to be a freak, to be loved is to be abused. A poignant and appalling case history that could have come straight out of Krafft-Ebing, Jackson’s childhood was marred by mistreatment. In a 1993 interview with Oprah Winfrey, he recalled his youth, when his father Joseph was making millions off his sons’ popularity. Jackson said that in puberty — “very sad, sad years for me” — his father routinely called him ugly, “and I would cry every day.” When Winfrey asked, Did your father ever beat you? Jackson tried to smile as he said yes. Then, in an aside to his father, he added, “I’m sorry. Please don’t be mad at me.” With that wincing smile, Jackson was like a wounded orphan who has walked through fire and has booked a return trip.
The media killed him slowly and painfully. The press used him to sell bad news, BUT FINALLY HE IS IN PEACE.
You are right Sis! you are definitely right!… But now he is in a better place… I cant believe how the media can be so hypocrite… years ago they wrote awful things about him, lies, now there are rumors that the kid who accused him is now saying that he lied for the money… they didn’t investigate, they just wanted to sell… and now they are honoring him and praising him… also to sell, not because they think he was an awesome artist… the life sucking leaches ruined him and little by little killed him… hope they feel happy now..
they don’t give a damn about that…they only care about the fuckin’ money….still now an idiot italian journalist says that his children are the mirror that he wanted to be white and always denied him as being black…..CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS PIECE OF SHI* ?! HE STILL WANTS TO SAY MEAN THINGS ABOUT MJ…….DAMN IT, LEAVE HIM REST IN PEACE !!!!!!!!
I happened on this site to learn more on MJs condition. I believe he had vitiligo. My view is that as any teenager when the spots and acne started appearing he tried different things- creams etc. However, when it continue spreading to his whole body seeing that he could afford it he opted for dipigmentation, that really transformed him. He looked white intially but then he looked pale almost skinless. I doubt anyone will choose to look like this. As far as his cosmetic surgery that is a whole other issue. perhaps some of what he did was because he was addicted to it or perhaps he had to make changes based on what was happening to him. This we will never know. I also think that because of what was happening to him in his teens he may have develop a disgust for his body image, not his color his image which caused him to do things he might not have done. But clearly he had some skin related problems. Having to always be on the front line will push anyone to want to deal with that as best they can.
As far a s his color no one can say he didnt like being black. Look at his music videos this alone will tell you the high esteem in which he held black people. He alsways looked for an uplifting way to portray his race. To say he hated being balck i think is to do injustice to the man.
And as far as the child molestation, the media can make you believe anything by the way they package information, mainly for the sake of ratings and sensationalism. For sometime i had thought maybe it could be true. But after i saw the documentary with the british indian guy i realize it was complete bull. Prosecuting a man because of his love of children is just pathetic. The world doesnt live by America’s standards. There are many people across the globe who share their homes with children who are not molesters, only in America such a silly insinuation can be made. Looking at his interaction with children you can see the innocence of his love. The court case also proved the lies. Personally i will settle a case to make it go away if i have the money and if it was doing more damage to keep it going. Unfortunately for him it came back to haunt him.
But the thing is the man was an intrigue because of the media as well this made his stardom even greater. But he was also a great entertainer and humanitarian. In the end i believe this will surpass alll the negative press. Long live MJ. Bless.
One more thing, ab123 you are an ass!
That’s too harsh. 123guy didn’t say anything bad bout Michael Jackson,The media is trully an Ass. -_-we shouldnt fight within eachother…
ab123…….get a life….anyway thanks 4 making all of us laugh !!!!!!!!! you’re pathetic…..
Speak for yourself, I think AB123 has a lot of valid points.
Some things that CANNOT be denied:
MJ was most likely addicted to plastic surgery and had a large amount of it.
MJ had the resources and power to obtain anything he wanted.
MJ never said he had vitiligo, he said he had a skin condition. The media are the ones who seized on the idea of vitiligo and ran with it; it was just never denied by MJ or his PR people.
Some things that seem obvious to me:
MJ obviously had something akin to a dysmorphic disorder, his plastic surgery was so extreme and extensive. Why is it so hard to believe that he went too far with the cosmetic use of nydroquinone? As well- as others have said this stuff is powerful and can keep working even after discontinued. I think he had a psychiatric disorder that caused him to see himself in a warped fashion, like an anorexic who looks in the mirror and sees fat when we see a wasted skeleton.
I don’t know if he really had vitiligo or not, none of us really know and the argument is even on either side. What is certain though is that he did bleach his entire body with nydroquinone even if he did have vitiligo. It would be the only way to even it out without having to apply full body make-up daily. In fact, this is the only legitimate use of nydroquinone.
As well as someone above, I’m wondering if several other of the Jacksons have “vitiligo” (wink wink) as they seem to have lightened up over the years. Gee, both Janet and LaToya could pass for light-skinned hispanics, FAR from their true original beautiful black color.
his sister has Vitiligo
“MJ never said he had vitiligo, he said he had a skin condition. The media are the ones who seized on the idea of vitiligo and ran with it; it was just never denied by MJ or his PR people.”
Actually, he’s stated in several televised interviews that he has vitiligo, in particular one that recently re-ran with Martin Bashir. Get your facts straight before trying to sound authoritative.
“I don’t know if he really had vitiligo or not, none of us really know and the argument is even on either side.”
If you did any real research, you wouldn’t sound so incompetent.
MJ DID say he had vitiligo. It’s in the rebuttal to Martin Bashir’s documentary.
The autopsy reveals he suffered from depigmentation of the skin.
The plastic surgery is another issue, but he would not be the first celebrity to have plastic surgery. He was teased about his nose as a child/teen and grew to dislike it/wanted to change it. He had procedures and was trying to make it fit whatever image was in his mind, or correct things he did not like about the new work. BIG DEAL!
This talented man was so misconstrued and misunderstood by the media. At the end, the media killed him.
We have lost the world’s greates ever singer, musician, dancer and entertainer on the 25th of june 2009. Michael Jackson Rest In Peace
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Michael Jackson had vitiligo and underwent depigmentation therapy to make his skin one color. End of story.
He was also a perfectionist and the world’s most popular entertainer, and in this business image is everything! You can imagine the stress and emotional trauma that must have accompanied the experience of waking up every day to find that your body was breaking out in blotches like that. It must have been a very debilitating feeling heightened a thousand times by the fact that MJ had to make his living in front of the camera. Anyone who has ever suffered from acne, like MJ did, would also have had psychological scars causing one to be hypersensitive and insecure about one’s appearance.
As for MJ’s multiple plastic surgeries, it’s pretty obvious that the reason he initially had these procedures done was to repair the damage to his face that was caused when he got burned during that Pepsi commercial he was filming in the 1980s. The news reports say that the burns were limited to the back of his head, but the truth is probably that the severity of his burns was downplayed.
http://www.nytimes.com/1984/04/19/us/singer-has-operation-to-repair-burn-scar.html
Why? Michael Jackson made his living by the sound of his voice and the power of his appearance. To admit that his face had been horribly burned and scarred would have, for all intents and purposes, ended his career at that point in time.
You also have to remember that MJ underwent these plastic surgeries in the 1980s. The technology has come a long way since then, and it is very likely that he developed subsequent problems from those earlier procedures, causing him to have to go back to get more work done.
It’s also true that some of the procedures that MJ did, such as the chin implant and thinning of the lips and eyelids and nose job, were more cosmetic in nature than therapeutic. This, I think, we will have to attribute to the psychological issues mentioned before as well as the physical and mental abuse that he suffered at the hands of his father, Joe.
In the end, though, MJ’s contributions to music and dance will outlive us all.
oh my god….i’ve never known about that fact in the 80’s….how did it happened?how come nobody talked about that after during the years?
The media has made a mockery of michael, if you do your own research you will see the sensationalism of most of it. Fire bun Matin Bashir and his yellow journalism. Even his piece was discredited but was that ever aired …no…because showing the truth is not ratings.
I always thought that he bleached his skin, because of the media, and michael jackson jokes. But now that I have read this article I now know that he has a disease. Thanks for writing this article. R.I.P MJ
You’ve left off the most telling picture of Michael’s vitiligo that I could find, where he is wearing a pink cardigan and is holding Bubbles. It shows a clear demarcation of pigmentation changes down the center and the sides of his face and his bottom lip. You should find it and put it up on your website for all the doubters.
When a hypersensitive someone, as Michael was, develops low self-esteem that has been engendered by a cruel, bullying, abusive parent who systematically isolates and targets his victim repeatedly, hurling insults upon insults about physical imperfections as signs of unworthiness to be loved (clearly Joe was projecting his own self-loathing onto Michael), then it is only understandable that Michael wanted to hide his disease and the associated emotional pain from the rest of the world because of his ongoing fear of being rejected by a larger community, until he was forced to disclose it publicly, in order to quell all the ugly, nasty rumors about his rejecting his race.
Regardless of Michael’s other issues, people should see his life as an example where one should practice compassion and empathy. We never know what emotional/mental/physical burdens he had to carry, especially with his high profile, or what business decisions were made to force him to hide this unexpected illness and the other ailments from which he suffered. In many ways, he showed much courage by not giving up.
Although I am not one to judge normally, the only thing that I can say is: shame on Quincy Jones if he truly made those comments about Michael’s not wanting to be a “black man”. This, coming from a man who had three significant relationships with Caucasian women that produced bi-racial children. I don’t think that he would appreciate the world’s psychoanaylzing his motivations and the stereotypes that his life suggests. Even as he grieves at the loss of his “little brother”, one has to wonder how well he really knew or cared about Michael, other than as a business relationship, if he didn’t know about his vitiligo or his commitment to African and African/American charities, after all the years of his working with him! It really shows you how truly alone Michael must have been at times in his life.
I completely co-sign with you. You must also add however, the toll of living in a racist society which continually perpetuates the image of blackness as undesirable. It took real soul searching for me to finally be comfortable with who i was as a black female. Michael’s father was not his sole abuser.
Quincy Jones is an idiot.
This explanation is totally plausible. I read some of the posts here and am amazed to see what some people try to claim without knowing the facts. Read Shelley’s personal story at April 13, 2008, and look at her pictures. Shelley’s story matches MJ’s very closely. RIP King Michael.
As a race we have come far in accepting the fundamental right to choose…
1. Who you marry
2. Your president
3. Whether you keep the baby (or not)
4. Who you love (male/female/both)
Surely, if a person has the right to change sex, then choosing to change skin colour should not be such a strech.
At best we happy been unfair and at worst just plain mean to MJ.
I choose to believe MJ, but that is just my opinion. I recognize that each of us has a right to an opinion, and as such you can CHOOSE to invest time and effort in ‘prooving’ tha MJ lied… to what end???Be careful lest you be judged by your own standards.
AMEN…I totally agree, JUDGE NOT….and do expect to be judged by the same standards that you use to judge others.
I also CHOOSE to believe MICHAEL JACKSON had the skin disease.
i know a few ppl myself. I heard the taunting comments about their mother must have lived on a farm and abused or mistreated cows…all sorta b/s. I know of one lday that i use to see in a local grocery store often … and she always looked sooo soooo sad. Because she was a dark skinned woman and her spots look almost PINK and they consumed a large portion of her face, hands, neck, arms and feet. If I were MJ before I walked around like that and scarred my IMAGINE anyway. I probably would have done just what he did. I use to feel sorry for this lady b/c ppl always looked at here and whispered about her.
Michael had gone thru enough in his life and I dont blame him for his decision to depigment his entire body. Im sure this lady would have rather done that as well if she could afford it….RIP MJ please just REST! Your journey is over and God has you in His control now….I LOVE U I LOVE U and I LOVE YOU !!!! sincerely……olivia
OK this explains his skin color…but what all the destructive plastic surgery he had ?
Plenty celebrities do plastic surgery why is it a problem when michael does it? “Plastic surgery wasnt invented for Micheal jackson”
abc123 is a jerk. havent you seen anyone with vitiligo before? moron. he’s gone now. leave him alone!! he is the best and no one can replace him! rest in peace michael xxxx
Michael had Vitiligo abc123. I have a friend who has the exact same thing but it was more focal as it mainly took over one side of her body aand also she was only around 9-10 years old when it was happening. It was also quite severe. I don’t want to be rude but as a black female I would never bleach my skin. Regardless of my heritage I would never do it even if I did live a traumatic life like he did. Bleaching my skin would be the worst thing anyone could ever do. I myself just see that as really pathetic. abc123 give up on your bogus research for whatever sad reason you feel you need to oust this vitiligo thing you need to squash it because it’s getting insanely ridiculous. He was stressed which is why I could understand his outbreak. He was constantly trying to out do himself. Think about it and get off your photoshop crap.
tuesday the funeral…. :’(how sad…the other day i was thinking…what if he isn’t dead and maybe during the funeral he raises up and starts singing and doing his concert?!
i know i am insane…but i still hope somehow he isn’t dead…. RIP MICHAEL !!!!!!
tuesday the funeral…. :’(how sad…the other day i was thinking…what if he isn’t dead and maybe during the funeral he raises up and starts singing and doing his concert?!
i know i am insane…but i still hope somehow he isn’t dead….
You know, it wasn’t until his passing that I really thought about the King Of Pop again. I actually grew up with him and even tried dancing his moves and singing the music that rocketed him to stardom as has millions of others I’m sure. I guess you never really know how much you miss someone until they’re gone. For one thing, I knew that there’s just so much stuff out there about him that I wasn’t sure about what to believe anymore.
Because there’s so much junk out there nowadays especially with the Internet, I guess I’m glad I found this page. I always did think he bleached his skin, but you know what? So what if he bleached his skin, he has a right to do what he wants. I guess even the media got to me on that one, but after reading this page and investigating more since there is a lot of junk floating out there again after his passing, I decided to research more online about the King.
You know, I just had to be sure that what is being said out there is mostly garbage mainly because I wanted to know the truth so that I can appreciate him more for the person he is and the music he left behind, which doesn’t require much to appreciate. I guess this is one myth that I am happy to hear is the truth that he has vitiligo and it just lends more credibility to him on what he says and helping me understand how much he suffered from the media in his life. Just wanted to say R.I.P. Michael, you will be missed very much….
Don’t buy it. According to his doctor who was with him since his teens, it was said that he had been bleaching his skin for years. And we all know that one thing is for sure. He could not have been proud of his features even if he had vitiligo. The man hated himself. That is clear.
Please mj constantly changed his doctors.
I respect your opinion but Please allow me to disagree. MJ was taunted about his nose as a child that much I can remember. But i truly don’t think he hated his color. MJ’s race played a major part in his celebrity status. HE was the first african american to do sooo many things. He truly paved the way for so many other AA’s. I think he received some of his fame from simply being black. He was truly a multi talented, creative, human regardless of color. But because he was black….it made it even more noticeable. HE KNOCKED DOWN BARRIERS….he BROKE DOWN DOORS! that were never closed to White America…..and you think he was disgusted with his color….??? i totally disagree….but its ur opinion….but I just wanted to state mine. Have a good one darryl….. RIP MJ…I LOVE YOU no matter what…and My heart bleeds for you as it always have…I LOVE YOU.!
he bleached or put cream on his skin to even out his skin tone. he could either stay dark and wear pounds of makeup. long process and expensive. painstaking. OR he could start using bleaching creams to even out his skin tone. eventually the pigment loss is going to take over the body if it gets the chance to. he was not proud of his nose, which is why he had a few surgeries on it. he hooked up however with some “bad” surgeons who told him “oh you should change this.. and what about this..” which is why towards the end he started looking ridiculous. He also changed his nose to hit higher notes. (so he says). He most likely suffered from dimorphic disorder. (where every time you look into the mirror you see something you are not happy with). BTW-He started to bleach his skin after Thriller. I don’t know if that’s what age you were referring to or not..
he didn’t hate himself…why should he?! he was a great singer a great dancer and a great person…for godness sake why do u prefer to think he hated himself?!
Self-mutilation is a good indication.
I believe he had vitiligo because I have family members and friends that have vitiligo and their skin is colorless like Michael Jackson’s. It first started on their hands. It then progressed to different areas of their body and face in patches. Now they are all white. They look more like albinos. People think they are albinos but they aren’t.
Michael didn’t wear wigs. His hair did grow back, they were talking about the lies that the tabloids were telling about him on channel eight a few days ago. I remember when I was a kid in the eighties and I use to look at Michael and say to myself, ‘Part of his face looks lighter than the rest. It a shame that instead of embracing Michael when he talked about this disease with Oprah that people still lied on him and tried to make it seem like he was ashamed of being a Black man.
he didn’t wear wigs but his dermatologist told Larry King this evening on CNN that he did have a surgeon put these balloon implants inserted into the top if his head which ended up back firing and being very painful. The dermatologist told him to stop with the implants. I know Michael wore hats for a while whenever in public to hide his balding spot. I do not know or remember I should say exactly what the dermatologist did to correct the problem but I do know that yes, he did not wear wigs. I agree with you as well that I would constantly look at Michael and wonder why it looked as though he was always blushing (Lupas) and why his neck seemed 3-4 shades different from his face. It was noticeable but it really didn’t hit me until it was reported more publicly in 02′. For some reason the same people who have been staring BS about Michael (the media/paparazzi) are the ones so concerned with getting the truth out now that he is dead. Shame. A real shame.
Yes its disgusting when you see the contribution MJ made to society and his black community only a moron will think he had issues being black. I never heard this statement from Quincy Jones where is the proof? People dont let the media misguide you do your own research. even if michael did do bleaching intially, are you saying he bleached his entire body, please. Do you all know bleaching is a common practice in Jamaica but trust me people dont end of looking life MJ. and if he was able to change himself so completely by bleaching then i know plenty people who would go for it. This is just so rediculous. The media simply hounded the man and even in death they continue to. No other person in this world could understand what being MJ was like because he was the only one, the greatest. Can you imagine being the greatest entertainer that ever lived and trying to be normal. what is normal for MJ? the man could go nowhere as himself except surrounded by security, how many of us know what that is like? The man simply cannot be judged for the things he may have done because he stood above the rest. People will say he was a molester but wasnt he freed of that by a jury not a judge. Please give it a rest. How come someone else could be acquitted of all charges but when it comes to MJ we must continue to believe the lies? The man should be remembered for the good spirit that he had all his humanitarian works.
With it being suggested that vitiligo is often hereditary– it may explain why he chose to not use his sperm to conceive
Didn’t even think about that! Good point!
Funny that people will assume he was lying when he insisted firmly and repeatedly that those kids were his genetically, but swallow the story of vitiligo hook, line, and sinker.
MJ was a liar, he lied often and repeatedly about many things. Myself? I think he lied about vitiligo as well, as is LaToya.
He also lied to Oprah when he said he had never heard of bleaching creams or anything to change the color of his skin. The use of melanin inhibiting cremes is WELL known in the Afro-American community, and in many predominantly black countries is used almost across the board, especially in the more secure economic brackets.
He lied about the number of cosmetic surgeries he has had.
He lied about the genetic paternity of those kids.
He lied about vitiligo.
Sorry, but I’m not one of those people who swims with the tide of popularity in Sainting MJ just because he is now dead. I thought he was a freak and a liar before and still do.
LovKingofPop that makes sense. I thought about that a while back but in the Martin Bashir interview Michael said his father had blue eyes and suggested that the pale skin his kids had were most likely from his father’s side of the family.
I mean no disrespect to any the the white population but in my opinion who would want to be (no offence, again). I mean it’s just like Michael said the don’t say anything about how alot of the white population are trying to darken themselves. Just recently a skin darkening cream was released. What does that tell you? Michael most of his success when he was black. In fact, his success died down when he became white…
Baanan you’re right…i’ve always said that too…most of white people in the past and some even now consider themselves superior over black persons…but i’ve always thought that those who think that are just idiots because they are just jelous because they have to spend money to become black meenwhile black persons are already black…
anyway michael had a fuckin’ disease…leave him rest in peace…poor children…have you seen Paris at the funeral?!poor child…God help them….. ps:i’m white…too white… 
Most of the people that suffer from this disease have a hard time with people either not believing them about their condition or just people giving them a hard time about it, especially when they are African American. It can be a very hard thing to deal with, could you imagine someone harassing you about something that you can’t help?
Yes, I could. I am 21 years old, female and 4′8″.. I am Sicilian and all of the women on my fathers side are no taller than 5′0″. I am the shortest person in the family and the shortest person I have ever met without a dwarfism condition. I was teased growing up and still am hassled daily about my size. I am called a “midget.” Even people with the disease, hate the word “midget.” It’s like calling a black person the “N” word. Or a Jew the “K” word. Etc.. Although it’s just something that runs in my family, I have been turned down jobs and underestimated my entire life because of my height. I don’t even have a disease either. I am laughed at even in general because most people don’t believe I am old enough to drink let alone drive. A cop once hassled me about ‘anyone under 4′9″ is supposed to be in a car seat.’…laughed at me and criticized me. Over something I couldn’t change and wouldn’t even given the chance.
I loved Michael and I grew up with a white neighbor with vitiligo. She would babysit me every weekend while my father (divorced) would go out for a couple hours with some friends. She was generous and fun. Her skin didn’t feel “weird” or anything. She was one of the coolest people to me at that time in my life. Used to tell me the best ghost stories!
I just wanted to say, I understand and never doubted Michael for an instant. I DID, however, want to know why and how his ENTIRE body was white.. but this has completely answered my further questions and thank you. Long Live The King.
Hey saw a video on youtube with janet and some foreign tv host telling her about how wierd her brother is about changing his skin colour and she had to stop him and tell him that he’s wrong her brother has vitiligo and that he is not the only one in the family. I wonder about Lotoya why hasnt anyone come down on her skin changes…or wait she’s not as popular as Michael. In my humble opinion white america simply cannot handle michaels success as a black man… and yes i said it a black man. Elvis was an alchoholic who abused his wife but white america still has him as a demi-god and ask us to focus on his talent. Hello why the same cant be done for Michael and especially when half of the negative publicity is fabricated by the media and the tabloids. Imagine they are now debating if Paris shpould have spoken at the memorial and if this is good for her. Not one person says well may Paris WANTED to speak. Ahhh the negativety. The man was human too.
i agree with you about MJ…he was a great person…black or white…PEOPLE THE SKIN DIDN’T CHANGE HIM!!!!!!!!!!he was a great singer dancer father PERSON…but still TRINISPICE i don’t agree with you about Elvis….he had weight problems and drug problems…but he was the king of rock such as Michael was and still be king of pop…don’t judge him 4 his problems….he couldn’t stand the fame and nobody was really there for him….he was a legend like michael….but it’s hard to stand the fame….
You are making my point. I didnt say anything was wrong will Elvis having problems what i meant was Elvis was considered a king like Michael but people focused on his talent when he died. Micheal is dead and all the Media is concered about is who gets his money, what happens to his children, his drug addiction and child molestation accusations that was not proven. In other words the media is deliberately running him through the mud inspite of his talent. They did it when he was alive and they continue to do it in his death. Sure it is intriging and you want to know more but give the man some respect. From day 1 of his death they started with the negative media and i am saying it is a case of white american media not wanting to respect the legend of a black american entertainer!
you are right…..they only speak about his problems etc etc…but the media would do it even he was white….because he was the king of pop the greatest so they earn a lot of money writting all the stupid things….but i want to remember you that they talked that about elvis too and they still do….the media is heartless….i hate reading newspapers where they write about michael and they still say he wanted to become white….how can they still say this?!i really HATE that……damn it he had a disease….there is proof…..i can’t stand it anymore….poor michael…maybe it’s better that he’s dead….at least he doesn’t need to hear those morons anymore….RIP MICHAEL YOU DESERVE IT!!!
After reading the information on this site, I believe that MJ did have vitiligo and underwent depigmentation therapy. Hence the white, almost transluscent color of his skin and his sensitivity to the sun.
I also believe his was very insecure and had low self esteem due to the abuse he had to endure from his father when he was growing up. That probably also contributed to his addiction to plastic surgery and prescription medication.
All the Drs that enabled him and got him these medicines that he had no business taking, shame on them. They should all go to jail for malpractice. I guess money can buy you just about everything. Except love and happiness.
Rest in Peace MJ. You are the king of pop !!!!
i’m glad the news finally reported something about vitiligo. sign, only too late
Yes now that his doctor said he was being treated for lupus and vitiligo which was responsible for his skin changes, will it be believed? Most likely not because the media has already started a campaign to discredit the doctor and has brushed off the skin desease and is focusing on how many surgeries. The MJ reporting will be around for a while. The media simply disgust me!
Maybe it’s true that he had this disease, but there’s one thing that I don’t understand. All the plastic surgeries. What about them?
It looks like for me that he changed his face to look less afroamerican. Or?
I apologize to Micheal. I now relate to what he went through. My skin in changing too. Normally, I am the young Michael’s skin color, but now, my face is spotted. I haven’t seen a dermatologist and haven’t told my primary care physician. It is devastating. Sorry MJ.
STOP!!!!!!
LIVE HIM ALONE ALLREADY!!!!
THANK YOU!!!
Yes, leave him be. Poor guy.
I bet we’re about to hear another tragic story of a man with psychological problems who over self-medicated and the negligent doctors who enabled it– for money — that’s just my guess of what we will hear when the toxicology report comes out.
RIP Michael. Thank you for all the great music, art and charitable donations you made to help others. I wish the best for his children and family.
`Are you being facetious ? Over the years it was a know fact that he was emotionally abused as a child, this does lead to psychological problems.
You dont believe that there are doctores who enable drug abuse for money?
I think the writing is aready on the wall as to what took place.
He was a part of many peoples lives for over 4 decades, he was a great entertainer and humanitarian. He is recognized in the Guinness Book of World Records Millenium Edition as the Pop Star who donated to the most charitable organizations
He has been an outstanding contribution to the world
His good will always out weigh the negative media.
Rest in Peace Michael Jackson
ab123 is an idiot. How can you bleach your entire body from African skin-tone to a Caucasian skin tone? You freaking idiot. Think about it. BLEACH. There would be photos where MJ is totally RED from head to toe if he were “bleaching” his skin to change from like totally dark to totally albino-white. THINK ABOUT IT. What happens when you soak your hand in bleach, or bleach cream or whatever? Even Benzoyl Peroxide is the DEVIL for us acne-sufferers. It dries your skin out to hell. So THINK ABOUT WHAT BLEACH WOULD DO. What would happen to your skin if you bathed in a bleach-type substance? Flaky, redness, peeling, sunburn type effect. All over your body. MJ was not an IDIOT, he obviously had the vitiligo. Use some common sense and get off the Internet already!
No, you’re the idiot. It isn’t bleach, it’s “monobenzyl ether of hydroquinone” and it can alter the color of the entire body.
It’s most common medical use is fulll-body depigmentation.
And come on… you are ascribing medical common sense to MJ? This is a man who had a stockpile of Propofil and many other drugs in his home and had whittled his nose to a tiny stub along with other horrific surgeries. It is so obvious that he was able to get Dr’s to do WHATEVER he wanted. Why is using hydroquinone beyond the realm of possibility to you? The only thing “obvious” about MJ is that he was a lunatic with too much money and too few people around him who really cared.
Hydroquinone is not beyond the realm of possiibility, however it appears that someone having psychological probems is beyond the realm of possibillity to you. With all of his contributions I think it is sad that you would call him a lunatic. He gave from his heart and he gave big.
How can he get doctors to do whatever he wanted ? its called money talks. There is supposed to be a code of ethics with doctors and if someone is an addict you do not feed them more drugs just because the money is right. Real doctors get into the business to save lives, not to enable drug abuse. Those doctors are nothing but drug dealers hidng behind a medical liscense. Last time I checked an addict is the person that is sick and needs help. Those doctors should go to jail (dont drug dealers on the street go to jail)?
Whoever you are may you never stumble and fall in your perfect world
Aw, such dramatics! Him being a lunatic does not negate his accomplishments nor did I ever claim such. Look at it this way, he’s in good company now with the likes of Napoleon, Edger Allen Poe, Lord Byron, Emily Dickenson, Van Gogh, Howard Hughes, and an endless list of accomplished and talented “crazy” people. Just because he’s newly dead doesn’t render him sane or normal. Even the people who are now trying to confer Sainthood upon him would agree that he was at the very least a peculiar person. Myself? I still stand by my opinion that he was one crazy MoFo, as do many people who knew him personally.
And yup, those “Dr’s” are morally and legally culpable, I never said they weren’t. They should be given prison time or at least found civilly liable. BUT, that said- we all have *personal* responsibility for what we do in this lifetime. He chose a lifestyle of excess and addiction. Yes, CHOSE. I’m not one of those bleeding hearts who believes that addiction is a disease that strikes like lightning and is foreordained by the Gods or some such bullshit. He chose and it probably is what landed him on the slab. That remains to be seen. He hid behind a screen of money. Even the family who was desperate to reach him couldn’t get within 100 yards to intervene. Not only did he use his money to fuel his addiction, he used it to cherish his addiction and keep it safe. Pathetic, and yes- CRAZY. Those poor kids!
o yeah.. i don’t believe u because your motive is trying to make him look bad. i’m just saying.
r u really female?
Girlfawkes, I think you need to be a bit more knowledgeable. To call the man a ‘lunatic’ is really irresponsible. Everybody knows Michael had problems but he was also someone who was abused by the media. I mean ‘wacko jacko’ this was not fair. These things were very hurtful to him which made him stay away from the media more. Alot of what made him seem weird was hyped by the media. No one is trying to make Micheal a saint, he was human just like the rest of us. But is it fair to say negative things about a person especially for things they cannot help? Michael said he had a vitiligo, his family said it, his makeup person said it, his doctor said it, we have seen photo evidence of it …..does it mean that all these people conspire to lie for Michael Jackson? If we believe that it is all a lie, then what can we believe? If we are honest with ourselves we will see how stupid this is.
u r a bad person. Even if he is a drug additced carzy songwriter, he is to be pitied. i do not believe you. I believe his heart is pure or else he couldn’t have written those songs, at least at that time.
P.S.-_-what if he’s not dead//
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/
Michael definitely had the vitiligo, I am a 51 year old white woman that also has it, fortunately I only have it on my face and arms. I haven’t tried the bleaching agents but I will now. It is so upsetting to have it on my face that I constantly wear heavy make up to hide it. There is nothing that will fix it except the bleaching agents so I’m sure that Michael did this at a last resort because he did not want to be spotted. He was proud of his heritage.
oh my god…..im such in shame..when i was yong I always think that M.J was some kind of freak and pedofil…i didnt know why he was such a big star..i’d think that it was of because his scandals and it…but after his dead my big sister was crying who didnt relay listen to him but she knew some of his songs..and i wanted to know what is so special about him and when i started to listen some of his songs..i fell in love with him…i realy like him because he was perfect…great songs,dance,voice,and he was so good..like an angel,,i coludnt believe that someone can be so perfect..and me and my frend nella were almost crying when we figure all about his vitiligo and problems..we were first who were judging him…im in such a shame….some of my friend are still believe that he is freak…but me and my frend will telling them about his dicis,,im sory of my english…i am from Europa, Croatia..
and there is another shock!!do you know his spot EARTH SONG(war scene) was shooting in Croatia in time of war of Croatia and Serbia who was atacted Croatia…but M.J was promoted us(CROATIANS) that people can help us …and they help us …MICHAEL THANK YOU AND I LOVE YOU..do you know that i know most of his song..my favorite is dirty diana and beat it …remember the time…M.J,2pac,and THOMPSON are now my favorite singers(man of cours)…MICHAEL I MISS YOU…piece..and yes..come to Croatia because our state is in realy not good thing of because this thing with money( i don’t know how to writel this in english)..ADRIATICAL SEA…MICHAEL THANK YOU AND REST IN PIECE…YOU DESRVE THAT..:((….and this yours on your blog is realy good speach..vey good…by michael
“Girlfawkes, I think you need to be a bit more knowledgeable. To call the man a ‘lunatic’ is really irresponsible. Everybody knows Michael had problems but he was also someone who was abused by the media. I mean ‘wacko jacko’ this was not fair. These things were very hurtful to him which made him stay away from the media more. Alot of what made him seem weird was hyped by the media. No one is trying to make Micheal a saint, he was human just like the rest of us. But is it fair to say negative things about a person especially for things they cannot help? Michael said he had a vitiligo, his family said it, his makeup person said it, his doctor said it, we have seen photo evidence of it …..does it mean that all these people conspire to lie for Michael Jackson? If we believe that it is all a lie, then what can we believe? If we are honest with ourselves we will see how stupid this is.”
“Girlfawkes, I think you need to be a bit more knowledgeable.”
How so? Enlighten me.
“To call the man a ‘lunatic’ is really irresponsible.”
Why? It’s the truth, and now even more is coming out about how paranoid and strange he was. Anyway, how is it “irresponsible” for me to state that opinion? Believe me, the world doesn’t hinge on his sanity or lack thereof.
“Everybody knows Michael had problems but he was also someone who was abused by the media.”
He was a famous personage. It is to be expected as the heavy price someone pays for fame and fortune. All movements are scrutinized. Look at Tom Cruise, another lunatic. A religious fanatic and closet homosexual. He’s been raked over the coals by the media and now can hardly get an acting job. If he hadn’t acted like such a creepy douche he wouldn’t have suffered such scrutiny and speculation. But, he is crazy and so obviously couldn’t help it. Same story with MJ.
“No one is trying to make Micheal a saint, he was human just like the rest of us.”
Really? Could have fooled me. Have you read some of the above comments? They have the same fervent tone as worshipers at Sunday Mass.
” But is it fair to say negative things about a person especially for things they cannot help?”
If you are talking about the vitiligo (assuming he really had it), no it isn’t fair. If you are talking about the atrocious and extensive plastic surgery, baby dangling, sleepovers with young boys (only one girl recorded in hundreds of sleepovers in his room, peculiar), paranoid behavior, constant hiring and firing of staff as a result of this paranoia, The entirely weird Bashir video, and now the not-surprising revelations about drug abuse, yes it is fair. Why is it fair? Because he chose all those things.
“does it mean that all these people conspire to lie for Michael Jackson?”
This hardly merits a response, because as we have seen, he was able to get educated professionals who were perfectly capable of making excellent money legitimately to lie for him repeatedly and long term. Lie to obtain powerful narcotics and lie about their roles in obtaining and administering them. So yes, people have lied for MJ, put their careers and freedoms on the line for MJ. Is it so hard in the face of that to believe that a relatively small and harmless lie of vitiligo would be out of the question? Come on!
“If we believe that it is all a lie, then what can we believe?”
Nothing, naturally.
i wouldn’t waste more time on you clearly you are an uneducated ass.
Wow, if everything is a lie and we cannot believe anything, what makes your allegations, true ? that means the possiblty of medias accusations can also be lies.
My “allegations” are opinions only which I have already stated.
Look. I don’t KNOW whether he did or did not have vitiligo, but there are compelling reasons for me to believe that he is lying about that and other things. I mean seriously. His lies about the plastic surgery were so blatant to the point of retardation. A person can’t spontaneously grow a larger chin with a cleft, or grow larger, more prominent cheekbones. Why lie about it, it is so obvious!
If the dude underwent plastic surgery because of his insecurities WHY would he tell just how much? I mean if he was that mentally broken down, why speak on it? I don’t get this talk of “he hated himself, he needed help” then turn around and think he’s going to say “I had 10 surgeries on my nose, I had my eyes blah blah, etc”. Obviously this was sensitive to him. You ever considered that maybe having a disorder that attacks your physical appearance did something to his mind, which was already fragile from his father’s words and the attitudes of those in the industry was it pertains to black people? You sound heartless in your condemnation.
Just wondering how he could have ’spotting’ even in recent pics if he had depigmented which is supposed to be permanent?
Spotting can occur due to uneven application of the hydroquinone.
I really don’t think there’s any question that he underwent depigmentation, I think the question is why? Vitiligo, or vanity and a dysmorphic disorder?
Yeah I agree, it’s obvious he lost his skin pigment, the question is why/how.
Just wondering if there’s any difference in characteristics between the depigmented skin versus vitiligo skin. Ie can someone with severe vitiligo get some random pigmentation returning on areas that were depigmented?
Also with benoquin once you’ve used it for a few months it’s effects are permanent. So I doubt in recent years (ie years after his skin first changed) that MJ would have had any ’spotting’ if it were just due to uneven application of the creams. This makes me sway towards the vitiligo theory.
now that the autopsy report said he did have a skin condition dont you feel like the ass you are. I feel sorry for you and your family.
Errr, no. The autopsy report confirmed that he had depigmentation, as far as we know it has not confirmed vitiligo. Thus far, no one in this discussion has denied that his skin was depigmented, the debate is what the cause was.
“I feel sorry for you and your family.”
God, you’re dramatic.
GirlFawkes,
The autopsy stated specific areas of depigmentation completely in line with observations and reports of MJ’s vitiligo over the years. I clearly remember reading the originalreport from the Associated Press site on the day it was released and it mentioned face, hands, arms, chest and abdomen.
All I can find right now is:
“He was balding and suffered from a skin disease that reduced pigment and left patches of white skin.” AP, 1 October 2009.
However, on the 1 Oct. the more respectable news outlets basically copied the AP report in it’s entirety. As the news spread some press articles omitted certain details specific to the skin depigmentation disease. Some did not mention it at all, others mentioned only chest or a couple of areas. I remember randomly clicking on several sites throughout the day and being amazed and angry as less and less info about the skin disease was published. The emphasis changed to his cosmetic tattoos. Figures.
Even some of the more respected press opted to remove mention of the skin disease from later reports.
Telegraph UK (1st report): http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/6252305/Michael-Jackson-autopsy-what-the-LA-coroner-found.html
Telegraph UK (3rd report on same day):http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/6252661/Michael-Jackson-autopsy-reveals-punctures-tattoos-scars.html
Oh, I found one where the skin disease details are closer to what I originally read on 1st October:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/oct/02/michael-jackson-autopsy
I’m pretty sure the first one I read also mentioned hands.
Well atleast Michael is in a better place now, all those people who judged him and still do will pay for it and you know by who, the King Of Pop himself, so watch out MJ Haters because Michael Joseph Jackson, the King Of Pop and the greatest performer that has ever lived and ever walked the planet, will be lying right beside you in the night ready and prepared to scare the life out of you which will make you never want to go back into your house ever again and when you report about it people wont believe and the police will put you in a menatl institution hospital. mwhahahahaha!!!!!!
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HEY MOONWALKER ,MICHAEL IS WAY BETTER THAN THAT…HE LOVED EVERYBODY….I DON’T THINK HE COULD BE THAT MEAN
…..and what if he’s not dead as they say?!what do u all think about that?!
OMG HE PASSED AWAY
This is a good link in today Uk daily mail see:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1205624/The-black-girl-turned-white-woman-vitiligo-changed-colour-entire-body.html
i never knew until now about his skin disease but i can’t explain why i always thought he didn’t want to become white because he hated being black as the others always said…i hate the media that treated him that bad…they all knew about his disease but it was easier for them to sell crap…
Music mogul Quincy Jones said he didn’t believe that Michael had vitiligo and thought he just wanted to be white. How can someone so old and so worldly be so ignorant.
Quincy also said he didn’t know Michael on a personal level and only did business with him when asked about the molestation allegations. In other words: he could have done it, I don’t know because I didn’t talk to the dude like that. So while on the one hand he’s telling folks about his lost “little brother” and on the other is saying what he thought that man, somebody he wasn’t close to, didn’t have–folks are repeating his opinions. Ignorant is too kind of word to describe what he’s putting down.
people keep talking that he did himself white.. they are totally wrong..
some good site about vitiligo to share http://effectivevitiligotreatment.blogspot.com/
I absolutely love Michael Jackson’s music, his performances, his loving kindness towards humanity and children. BUT, He did not have vitiligo: there are dozens of producers and musicians that have claimed Michael showed them he was bleaching and they admonished him and he did not speak to them for years. If Michael Jackson had not had dozens of surgeries to turn his nose into a caucasian one, implant a chin dimple, have his lips thinnned out with a painful tissue cutting procedure and even his eyes to show more of the white so as not to have a Negro man’s eyes! He married two white woman, conceived three completely white children with no black features whatsoever ( there could be likelly one child that assumes all caucasian features but Three is impossible. For whatever reason Michael wanted to be a WHITE MAN. If he did not he could have married black woman, conceived black children and not had dozens of plastic surgery erasing his black features. If he just had the skin pigmentation problem and did not touch his facial features or live his life differentlly then his “lie” would have been more believable. Nonetheless, I still Love him and felt terribly sorry for him as to why he took such a difficult road (living a lie) when his fans and most people loved him for what he created: Beautiful music, Fantastic Lyrics, Incredible Dance Performances and the most hard working Entertainer in the Entire World that loved his audiences and gave them everything he had at each and every performance. We would have loved him no matter what he looked like. But He wasn’t happy with the looks God gave him or his skin color! And for that we all should mourn him because he was a man that had it all, but he paid far too much attention to his body and let his mind go off in the WRONG DIRECTION. You could argue these stupid facts all day. But in your hearts and Michael’s heart too: the truth was right in front of our nose’s and his too. No one self mutilated their faces like he did. No one convinced him to not pass his “Extraordinary genes” onto his children. He chose that. What a shame. He put an end to his black heritage. We the public, did not push him to do that. He did that too himself. And neither did his father. You can only lie to yourself for soo long then it becomes self destructive when you are living in an alternate reality. That is what poor Michael Jackson did. Neverland was his alternate reality. But it does not take away from his genius, his heart or his accolades. He took all that away from HIMSELF. AND YES, the press convicted an oddly strange man for loving and acting like a child. AND then a greedy doctor took a man in a death spiral and flushed him down the toilet. Yes, We the public can bear some blame. Yes, the horrible doctor should be prosecuted. But Michael Jackson was suffering because he knew the TRUTH about himself: he knew he took things too far: with his FACE, with his LIES, with his sexuality ( or his confusion about it). Vitiligo does not make someone marry, or have plastic surgery, or cause reclusiveness, or cause extreme anxiety etc. Michael went down a false path of reality himself. AND WE ALL LOVED HIM ANYWAY. But do not turn him into some kind of a savior because that he wasn’t. He was a tormented man after the 2005 court case. And he RAN AWY to another country, dressed like a woman, acted very effeminately etc. Michael hurt Michael the most. God knows, no one would have ever hurt him in the ways he tortured himself. So Be honest PEOPLE. Do not lie to yourselves or for him. The TRUTH is WHAT IT IS. AND MICHAEL JACKSON paid dearly for the stupid silly mistakes he made. He was a good man, an excellent performer and he gave all that he had. HE was good enough to be the best. I only wish he would have understood that as well. He did, maybe that is why getting older proved to be so difficult for him. The athletic prowess he exhibited in his younger days would have been virtually impossible to re-establish for the wellest of individuals. But Michael Jackson did not have anything to prove to any of us. WE KNEW HE WAS THE BEST – WE LOVED HIM. IT IS HE WHO DIDN’t LOVE HIMSELF. NOt his father, or his family, or his fans.
This is how you see it but one could argue differently.
He married two people. Skin colour not important. He said he did not care about such things. Presley, I can see how he might identify with her. Rowe, offered him the kids that he had always wanted.
He had plastic surgery. People of all races do – does it mean race denial if you change your nose and chin but contribute masses to African- American charities and educational institutes? What about those who have lips inflated.
He had issues relating to his childhood, he mentioned that several times and also revealed some regret about his surgeries.
He had vitiligo. Proven by autopsy. It is a psychologically difficult – fears about loss of identity, accusations of racial denial, loss of family identity are normal. Heightened anxiety and insecurity. The man battled this for the last 25-30 years, multiplied by his fame and media scrutiny and mockery. How hurtful and damaging could that be.
About the kids, I don’t know. Kids are kids. I don’t have any but wish I could. If I could adopt one I would not care about the colour. If I had to choose one I would opt for one that reflected my heritage. But I don’t think it is indicative of race denial since adoption outside the race is commonplace.
I think with most things it is really your opinion and you are entitled. I just think there are ways to look at things that reflect very differently.
I just saw this on another site:
Written by: David Nordahl (MJ’s personal artist): People accused Michael of trying to be white, which is ridiculous. When I first met him, his vitiligo had gone to the right side of his face and down his neck. Most of his hand was white. Stark white patches. He used makeup because he had to. Without it, he was speckled all over. (Nordahl never witnessed drug use by MJ but was keenly aware of pain problems that lingered after the star’s hair caught fire on a Pepsi ad soundstage.) When they were trying to repair that burned spot, he had a balloon under his scalp that was inflated. He let me feel it. It was a huge mound. As the skin got stretched, they cut it out and stitched the scalp. He was in excruciating pain. ( Jackson seemed an unlikely addict , Nordahl says, noting his avoidance of cigarettes, alcohol, softdrinks and sugar.) He was mostly vegetarian. (About MJ as Dad) Michael was a real dad, not a Hollywood dad. He’d get up at night to feed them bottles. He’d change them, bathe them, everything a mother does. Those kids were so respectful and courteous, just sweet.
I developed vitiligo when i was 16 and a sophomore in school and have had it for 3 years now. I only just started telling people because i was really embarassed about it and always hated being in big crowds. My hair has also been affected and has created alot of patches requiring me to dye it every month. Its hard to accept the fact that you have this disease especially since you cant control it and u think no one will understand. God Bless Michael Jackson for dealing with all this and the negatative comments made about him as a result.
hmm, i wonder what the haters have to say now?
The autopsy gives a diagnosis of arthritis, lung inflammation, plaque build up in his legs but does not say he had Vitiligo. It says Jackson had “depigmentation around his chest, abdomen, face and arms”
michael did indeed have vitiligo,as he said many years ago. and the autopsy did state that he ’suffered from a skin disease that stripped the pigment from his skin leaving him with white patches’. depending on where you read the results,as some media would still try to destroy this man’s character even in his death. but its there and i’ve read it from more than 1 website. you can see the uneven skin in pics and on you tube. yes he had plastic surgery and im sure he was addicted to it, but the man never did anything to his lips or cheekbones. he didnt lie about the vitiligo but i never thought he did
Yo, GrilFawkes, if u hate so much about this man why the hell do you still go on this ‘trash’ website and serch for his autopsy results and watch all those news about him? U are just one of those people who pertend they don’t care about nothing, but enjoy reading gossips and tabloids.
Shut up if u don’t care. Just shut up. People like you made those garbages sells
MOST OF YOU ARE DUMMIES GET A LIFE…. AND LEAVE MICHAEL ALONE……. HE DOES NOT HAVE TO CONVINCE ANYONE ABOUT HIS CONDITION…… IT IS HIS BUSINESS. THE MEDIA AND EVERYONE ELSE ARE ALWAYS IN HIS BUSINESS. …….ARE YOU ALL AWARE THAT SOME THINGS ARE PRIVATE?……. YOU PEOPLE JUST GO ON AND ON AND ALWAYS BELIEVE ALL THE BS THE MEDIA ESPECIALLY EVIL TV AKA ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT FEEDS YOU………. WITH EVIL MARY HEART AND DIANE DIAMOND………. MICHAEL JACKSON WAS AN AWESOME HUMAN BEING HE WAS BEAUTIFUL……..INSIDE AND OUT….. BUT PEOPLE WERE TOO BUSY CRITIZING HIM TO APPRECIATE HIS MEGA TALENT AND HIS CHARITY………BECAUSE THEY WERE SOOO JEALOUS!……..HE WAS A VISIONARY ALWAYS 100 STEPS AHEAD OF ALL THE OTHER ARTISTS……….HE LEFT THEM IN THE DUST…….BECAUSE HE WAS SUCH A HARD WORKER WHO LABOURED TO PERFECT HIS CRAFT SINCE CHILDHOOD……… AMERICANS ESPECIALLY …………YOU ARE SOME OF THE STUPIDEST PEOPLE ON EARTH………… I WISH WITH ALL MY HEART THAT MICHAEL WAS BORN IN ANOTHER COUNTRY BECAUSE HE WAS NEVER APPRECIATED IN HIS OWN………. ALL OF YOU CAN KISS HIS A****S……..I LOVE YOU FOREVER AND ALWAYS MJJ……. YOU ROCKED THIS PLANET…… AND NOW EVERYONE IN ENTERTAINMENT IS JOCKEYING TO BE NUMBER ONE…..BUT THAT PLACE IS ALREADY TAKEN……. MAYBE THEY WILL BE PRINCES BUT NEVER EVER KING!…………YOU ARE MY HERO I LOVE YOU MORE AND MISS YOU PETER PAN!
abc123 no one is really interested in your thoughts any more do some proper research see:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1201841/I-turned-black-white-How-skin-disordered-changed-mans-identity-place-world.html
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/07/prweb2613654.htm
im still so sad mj died 6 months ago approx. and i miss him so much he is such a brilliant artist. his disease is very saddening to see happen to such a magnificent person. he was very hot when he was younger hehehe. hes the reason i hate living in my own generation i would rather live in the 80s. this sux im still in depressant mode. AND HATERS FUCK OFF LET THE KING REST IN PEACE!
I know the cruelty of skin disorder. The Walmart in Pocomoke City, MD has a problem with my vitiligo. I worked at this company, terrorized for my condition. As a cruel joke, some fool sent a threatful letter to my house, mocking my condition. It is unbelievable the extent some people will go to for a minor problem. I tried to contact headquarters and work things out with them, but they are useless. I believe my vitiligo is too much to deal with. There is a different attitude in the South about blacks & having this disorder. Many people still think it doesn’t exist.